Younger but more arrogant crowd this year?

[frostypaw]

Just want to point out that the 'types' you're talking about make up a minority of the young population who go. I'm 20 and have an incredible amount of respect for Michael, Emily and the Festival as a whole.

*like*

Yes let's ban the stuff I don't want (phones) and keep the stuff I do (drugs) because clearly the problem is stuff I don't like.

I agree the charge tent is not required, battery packs are cheaper and easily available now.

Didn't talk about banning anything, i just don't think the festival should be a social media event - it should be a real life thing experienced in real-time and in person. A lot of the atmosphere deadening things people talk about are related to this - so why encourage it? Don't ban it or owt, but discovering you can talk to each other is definitely a thing at the festival. Was odd being in the Tiny Tea tent, sending a couple of texts myself then realising it was basically silent and almost everyone was on their phones - not at a busy time admittedly, but i've always found someone to chat with in there in seconds before.

You can presume they are using them to keep their make-up nice but since when are presumptions reality?

when they're also wearing head to toe waterproofs? why else would you need an umbrella as well? i don't entirely know it was for their make-up it just gets a bit bonkers there were some HUGE ones around - a wide brimmed hat or a cap is the real winner if you want to keep it off your face though.

that downpour was spectacular though, so anything goes for that shit. big respect to the couple of lads i saw at t'Other in just vest and shorts who waited it out.

[Ed209]

I've seen the same thread with the same comments each year that I've been on here. Y'all just be getting old.

And it's the same shitty cliches. I'm guessing it will be page 6 before someone turns on the scousers.

Page 6?! Try post 6

http://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/topic/187053-younger-but-more-arrogant-crowd-this-year/?p=4428076

[kalifire]

On Sunday night I was totally out of cash and was enjoying my final pint of Thatchers. I was at the little enclave overlooking the Glade lounge and two women asked me to take their photo. I popped my cup down and spent a couple of minutes getting a good shot in low-light conditions. When I'd finished, I went to get my drink and noticed two kids had sat down next to it, stretched their legs out and knocked it over. It was almost certainly an accident, but I said "Oh no! That was my last cider!" in their direction. Not a peep. They knew they'd done it because I saw one of them looking at the spillage and grinning. Not content, I said "Oi, mate. Thanks for knocking over my cider." to which one of them muttered "that's alright, mate" and grinned. What a little shit. I said no more and carried on drinkless, but I was really enjoying those final sips!

I didn't find the number of dickheads worse than I expected though, and generally had my radar on for the entire time, particularly when setting up camp or finding a spot in the crowd and if I felt that I was next to people who'd spoil things, I moved elsewhere. As I said elsewhere, on one occasion the bloke behind me decided to take a piss and I felt it splash on my leg, but he was just caught short and when I mentioned that I knew he'd just taken a piss and could he let me know in the future so I can move slightly, his face went red as beetroot and he apologised unreservedly. Fair enough, I thought.

Edited July 1, 2014 by kalifire

[KryziF]

true, but there's a definite increase in their number

look at the photos in that daily mail litter thread and count up how many men vs women you see in focus

Think you'll find that that's more to do with the daily mail having more website space to fill with pictures of women wearing short shorts now than in 2003, rather than an increase in the number of them at the festival

[frostypaw]

Think you'll find that that's more to do with the daily mail having more website space to fill with pictures of women wearing short shorts now than in 2003, rather than an increase in the number of them at the festival

you misunderstand my point - i was talking about how the mail publicises it in a particular light rather than saying there's a vast increase in girls. actually i think there are more than there were, but that is no bad thing at all Edited July 1, 2014 by frostypaw

[DeanoL]

*like*

Didn't talk about banning anything, i just don't think the festival should be a social media event - it should be a real life thing experienced in real-time and in person. A lot of the atmosphere deadening things people talk about are related to this - so why encourage it? Don't ban it or owt, but discovering you can talk to each other is definitely a thing at the festival. Was odd being in the Tiny Tea tent, sending a couple of texts myself then realising it was basically silent and almost everyone was on their phones - not at a busy time admittedly, but i've always found someone to chat with in there in seconds before.

What's a 'social media event' compared to a 'real-life event'? They're both just things that happen, social media is a layer on top of that for some people, for keeping in touch with mates, on site or otherwise.

Some people just aren't that interested in striking up random conversations with people, or don't have the confidence to do it, so if they're off on their own, time with people on social media can be nice.

And maybe the other young people in the tent picked up on your disapproving vibe over them 'being on their phones all the time' and so didn't feel comfortable striking up a conversation with you. In fact, did you even try and start one yourself?

[frostypaw]

What's a 'social media event' compared to a 'real-life event'? They're both just things that happen, social media is a layer on top of that for some people, for keeping in touch with mates, on site or otherwise.

Some people just aren't that interested in striking up random conversations with people, or don't have the confidence to do it, so if they're off on their own, time with people on social media can be nice.

And maybe the other young people in the tent picked up on your disapproving vibe over them 'being on their phones all the time' and so didn't feel comfortable striking up a conversation with you. In fact, did you even try and start one yourself?

Meow.

Actually I agree - I used my phone now and then between things and to catch up with my mates for the next acts, I don't think anyone would complain about that. But the phoneplay in preference to doing something you really enjoy is something you can do on the tube in London. Finding out how easy it was to strike up chats, how kind and friendly people could be and the togetherness of it all was a big deal for me coming to my early Glastonburies and changed me for the better leaving me much less shy and more confident

When we were watching FTP a quiet bit shy/emo lad moved in just in front of us mid-downpour on his own and while I was having a good natter with my mate I kept seeing him laugh a bit and later turn to say something two or three times but never quite got there. I did crack some gag about his half-length boots making him the canary in the goldmine for the mud and he laughed then blushed and carried on. wasn't feeling pushy enough to make him be sociable, but breaking through that shy and unconfident thing is good... and if he'd had his head in his phone the whole time probably wouldn't have noticed there were nice folk around. So no never had a problem with my 'vibe'

[little_jim]

I would have to say yes and no to this I found some older folk just as rude at times. During the huge thunder storm I happen to already find myself up at the acoustic stage under cover. It started to get tight in there as other people were looking to find cover from the rain but struggled to get in, the reason for this a load of older generation popping up their chairs and sitting down on the floor too taking up more space leaving others out in the rain.

The one thing I did find annoying is people walking along the walkways (the metal things) three or four people wide all holding hands preventing traffic moving both ways shame people forget to use their brains at times and help out others by keeping say left and at least single file.

Oh I'm from Essex not at all a fan of the plastic image so tv show paints about us neither am I one of them lol.

Edited July 1, 2014 by little_jim

[Pollyloucamper]

The only rudeness I encountered the entire time was from a woman in her mid fifties sat in a chair down near the sound desk at the Pyramid on Sunday pre-Kasabian.

When we arrived and moved in front of her about half an hour before, there was loud tutting and complaining so, we shifted a bit but it was during the set when my husband moved back to stand next to me, she started kicking off that he was spoiling her view. She was standing up by this time and I have no objection to somebody asking a 6ft man to move a touch so they can see but she was a total mardy mare about it and, to boot, was clearly not a fan so, why was she even down near the front with that bloody chair?

As for the youth, I'm just jealous I'm not so young anymore. I've always loved fashion and for years, dressing up a bit at Glastonbury has been part of the fun. If I could carry it off, I would certainly be wearing hot pants and it wouldn't make me a bad person...

[Rocking mouse]

I found that the lack of caring for the farm by some, young and old, shocking. The amount of rubbish left all over the place has increased each year. The crap in front pyramid each night was shameful, walking back each night was dangerous.. Time to bring back the green police.

There always going to be some people who act like animals, I was give some abuse by a hunter wearing person as I was trying to get back on the disable area with a drink for the person I was caring for. I asked them to move and they just refused to step aside, so I pushed though, and was kicked with mud and learned some new words. Also got comments about having chairs, at the very back of a set. But other people was lovely. Only 3% of the world are dicks but we remember them not the other 97% which are great humans.

[stopwn1981]

I found that the lack of caring for the farm by some, young and old, shocking. The amount of rubbish left all over the place has increased each year. The crap in front pyramid each night was shameful, walking back each night was dangerous.. Time to bring back the green police.

There always going to be some people who act like animals, I was give some abuse by a hunter wearing person as I was trying to get back on the disable area with a drink for the person I was caring for. I asked them to move and they just refused to step aside, so I pushed though, and was kicked with mud and learned some new words. Also got comments about having chairs, at the very back of a set. But other people was lovely. Only 3% of the world are dicks but we remember them not the other 97% which are great humans.

I find the hunter brigade to be all mouth and no trousers and soon scarper if you go at them. Shouldn't have to, but someone needs to call them for their snobbish idiocy.

[ICGenie]

Also with wellies - I bought ten quid ones from primark a couple years ago, never had blisters from them ever and they haven't ever let water in.

Exactly - people buy hunter wellies because they are expensive, trendy and purvey a certain social status (they are not a piece of superior manufacturing)..which is not in keeping with the original Glasto vibe.

Yes, because buying cheap items from companies which employ cheap labour and incredibly poor working practices is REALLY in the Glastonbury spirit isn't it...

[JBarbour]

Why do a lot of people on these forums knock hunter wellies?

It's like judging people that drink Coca Cola instead of rola Cola.

Is it jealousy?

[Bobs]

Is it me or was there a massive influx of late teen 'only way is essex' types this year? also a ton of chav like arrogant teens who didn't give a shit about pissing anywhere. saw some guy try high five some as they walked passed and the group almost beat him up?

I'm no Glasto snob and I do realise that turning 40 recently means after 13 Glastonburys I'm gonna start to see a new generation and change of vibe. But... If this crowd grows the festival could have a problem again in the future.

Just my opinion.

I said to my mate, as i was showing him about.. about noticing the difference in 'demograph' of the people when we walked from the Pyramid towards the Circus field et al. I love the Greenfields and that stuff, so it's great talking to all the 'hippy' kind of people, and talking about the reasons they love Glastonbury, by no means am i a Hippy, but, i'm just fascinated by everyones stories.

I was quite heavily abusing the class A's when the night came, and i found the people over 40+ were absolutely terrific, whereas the 'younger' generations, were basically abusing my state, using a various range of expletives as i was trying to be friendly, even though i was probably being an annoying twat The most hurtful was being called an 'old twat', I'm 22.

Despite a few quite rude shouts, i can't say i was too offended or affected by the younger generation, so all in all, was a good festival.

[stopwn1981]

Yes, because buying cheap items from companies which employ cheap labour and incredibly poor working practices is REALLY in the Glastonbury spirit isn't it...

Hahahaha - and you think these expensive brands are the sharing, caring types who believe in charity and socialism! Behave.

[stopwn1981]

Why do a lot of people on these forums knock hunter wellies?

It's like judging people that drink Coca Cola instead of rola Cola.

Is it jealousy?

It's not the wellies or hunter - it's the snobbery of those who seem to buy them (sweeping generalisation) ... It's like Audi drivers all being ****s. It's not jealously as most people could stretch to paying for them, but £90 for wellies is gratuitous whichever way you look at it - although I'm sure the rubber they use is better quality, sustainable, green, organic and fair trade no doubt.

[gooner1990]

I think another thing is the type of people going to festivals has changed massivly, even since I started going right at the end of the 90's.

My news feed on Facebook is littered with post festival status's and photos from people I know who aren't 'festival' or 'music' types. Its more 'look at us we're at Glastonbury'

One of my friends came with us to Glastonbury last year at the age of 29 it was her first festival. This year she said she didn't want to go as she'd 'been once and ticked it off the list so don't need to bother again.'

Like someone else said, the mass TV and online exposure it gets going to get a more 'joe bloggs' type people who probably wouldn't bother going to any other music event.

And regarding the campsites being left in a mess, the one behind us did the same this year, and they were all in their mid-30's so its not always the youngsters!

[neilloggie]

I hate people (from all walks) who push past and feel they have more of a right to get somewhere quicker than you. a few years ago in my younger years and when i didn't have a young kid with me, i would have just elbowed them in the throat, that usually works.

On the whole though i did notice a slight increase in younger posher lads and men than girls and women this year, more Crispin's and Henry's and even a Singeon.

[giantkatestacks]

I was really intolerant about this last year but this year we tried to not mind and plough our own furrow.

What a great opportunity it is to educate people even a tiny bit about the way we think life should be and how a random chat at the 50p tea tent can be better than schlepping across to the John Peel. We did end up mostly talking to oldies like ourselves but occasionally younguns would talk to us too.

We had a particularly memorable chat with a couple in the Greenpeace cafe who were G virgins who expressed surprise about all the healing and crafts etc as they hadnt expected it. I managed to keep the incredulous look off my face and it was all good.

There was actually less nos this year as well I think. We litterpicked less canisters anyway on the Pyramid Field than last year.

[cwaite123]

I was really intolerant about this last year but this year we tried to not mind and plough our own furrow.

What a great opportunity it is to educate people even a tiny bit about the way we think life should be and how a random chat at the 50p tea tent can be better than schlepping across to the John Peel. We did end up mostly talking to oldies like ourselves but occasionally younguns would talk to us too.

We had a particularly memorable chat with a couple in the Greenpeace cafe who were G virgins who expressed surprise about all the healing and crafts etc as they hadnt expected it. I managed to keep the incredulous look off my face and it was all good.

There was actually less nos this year as well I think. We litterpicked less canisters anyway on the Pyramid Field than last year.

I thought I noticed more doing laughing gas at the main stages, so much so I even overheard a kid at West Holts go up to their parents and say 'mummy wants this silver thing'. There was also one person at Clean Bandit who completely did not know what he was doing and just decided to do it with their group of friends seen as though others around us were.

Never really noticed the noise at the main stages in previous years, but suppose it can depend on the type of crowd a certain act attracts.

[shineism]

Only saw 4 bands, spent pretty much my whole time in block9 and shangri la and had no issues

[progue]

Put 200,000 people in a confined space together and you are inevitably going to get a few knobs. It has absolutely nothing to do with age, class (whatever that is), race, religion or the type of bloody footwear that they choose to wear.

[mattgimmeshelter]

Put 200,000 people in a confined space together and you are inevitably going to get a few knobs. It has absolutely nothing to do with age, class (whatever that is), race, religion or the type of bloody footwear that they choose to wear.

This exactly, and the reason why there are considerable more youthful people every year is because you're getting older.

Oh and the youth of today are very different to those in the past. I don't know whether it's just my experience, but i've found the private school boys/girls to be much more of an issue than any state school type (chav) at a festival. Once the private school kids get to a certain level of drunk / drug buzz they can be complete messes and really nasty work.

Especially many private school girls, once they've had a few too many they are probably much worse than a drunk arrogant LAD.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

What was with all the kids carrying round 'old' film cameras and even 'oringal' camcorders?

[Ohinever]

Well I had a lovely festival and enjoyed speaking and meeting people of all ages and from just about everywhere. Apart from the pair of very very obese ladies sat on camping chairs behind the disabled platform at the Pyramid on Sunday evening that is. They had laid out tarpaulin in front of them up to the platform's walk way, and were protecting it viciously. They both comically jumped up on 2 secs left of the Kasabian countdown and one turned round to mutter something to me. Thinking it a nicety, I muttered a pleasantry back, only to be told by my other half that this charming specimen had actually said "push onto our area and I'll knock you the fuck out".

Thankfully Kasabian saved the day by being tuneless loud mouth oiks so we made our way over to Massive Attack and enjoyed the rest of the evening.