Iphigenia
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2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:
well I created a TM account on the morning of the sale and didnt think id successfully signed in at any point , maybe I actually did as ive had an email through .... odd
Same here. I had to check if it was some sort of scam. I can't help but feel like I'm being subjected to a gigantic marketing attack, just seeing the black and white "Oasis" logo everywhere I look 🤔😅
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1 hour ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:
Winding my neck in now am I? Everyone should have enough of a brain in their nut?!
I'll add that to all the narrow-minded stuff, loyalist and sycophant crap you were just gushing to lay on everyone's head.
@CharlotteB Still being selective with your white-knighting?
Well, same again, you ask for further info, and every time I provide it, it's ignored. What more can I do? Have a lovely weekend everyone.
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9 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:
I just reread my responses and I thought/still think they were all very diplomatic and fair.
Only asked for examples of regular non-musical acts and these huge acts that would be suitable (that apparently we've never heard of).
What's wrong with asking questions or hypothesising? Thought that was the point of the forum.
Nothing wrong with asking questions, but you seem to be winding your neck in now. More than one of you were coming across as arrogant and rude, which is why I was being snappy back. I know text can sometimes be misconstrued though so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and draw a line under it.
My concept was more of a general philosophical idea, but I can list a few off the top of my head (but if you don't know classical music, you only have to Google to see successful acts, how many people they regularly bring in, etc).
Vienna Philharmonic, London Symphony, Chicago Symphony, Royal Concertgebouw. Any of these coupled with guests from the pop world, West End theatre productions, ballet acts, and opera singers, would be a perfect Sunday night headliner. It would be so powerful, and akin to the effect that Jay Z had on the festival after all the naysayers stuck their knives into the festival for booking him.
That's what I'd do anyway. There are other slants you could put on it. I know a lot of people have become accustomed to hearing one name "Elton John" or one band "Coldplay" as being put out there as the headliner, and it might feel scary when that doesn't happen. But there are whole musical worlds out there that Glastonbury is barely touching.
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9 hours ago, clarkete said:
I'm not sure you've explained your point clearly, as for the most part the things outside the typical genres for pyramid things are usually early slots, where a proportion of the audience won't yet be up and about, so far before the time of peak audiences.
If people want to see classical or theatre (other than the existing fest slots) there are already tons of town or city venues to see that and indeed those places do not want more competition for business.
Finally if you get frustrated because others, who in many cases have loved the festival for a lot of their lives, don't agree with your perspective you clearly aren't gonna win anyone over by calling them sycophants.
Lots of folks (but not all) just think that for the most part the bookers do a good job - I've seen some cracking stuff and a lot of brilliant surprises over just under 40 years.
4 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:No way, music is a performing art? *Mind. Blown.*
I feel like you're holding the festival up to some kind of weird pseudo-standard that doesn't exist.
It's not like the organisers are breaking the mould every single festival with bookings. They routinely book acts most people would agree are very popular and very big. Not very ground ground breaking to book the most popular artists at the moment or of all time. Again, SZA was a gamble they thought would pay off, but it didn't. There's no reason to go ten leaps further forward and change the mould of the whole Pyramid because of one dud crowd out of the last 50 headliners.
Regularly moving away from musical artists on the Pyramid? Corbyn for ten minutes on a Saturday afternoon back in 2017, eight years ago? He drew a medium sized crowd before a very popular hip-hop act. Again, that's not exactly a mind-blowing moment of radical thought. I'm surprised they hadn't done it before tbh, or since. So, why have they done it once in 25 years? That ain't very regular.
I think you're forgetting the fact that at the end of a long day of partying a lot of people want to end their night on a massive high by seeing one of their favourite bands/artists and rock out or dance the night away. Is there a massive demand to end the day by seeing ballet Swan Lake, Lion King, Tristan & Isolde? There is no way that 40k people are gonna wanna do that when many of those pieces rely heavily on being able to see the actual stage (not just the screens, but the actual stage), unless they change the demographics of the festival substantially.
I hear it all the time that Glastonbury is some kind of arbiter of cutting edge music pushers etc etc, but Reading/Leeds, at least in a headliner sense, have given people their chance earlier than Glastonbury. Fred this year, Fender last year, Dave 2022.
Glastonbury's appeal is that they can land the biggest of the best. Bruce, Beyonce, Taylor, Elton aren't gonna do Reading/Leeds - but none of those are cutting edge or breaking the mould.
Could you list all of the non-musical performances that have broken the mould on the Pyramid?
Who are these huge amazing cool acts that the average festival-goer doesn't know about? Please, enlighten us.
No point in me wasting time repeating things I've already said. You need to take the time to read my previous posts properly, although I know you won't because you just want to ignore my point and follow an imagined narrative in order to try to make me feel like I'm stupid. The trouble with that is I know that's not true and everyone knows that the type of people who do that are trying to compensate for something they're lacking.
I'm not going to make your limitations my problem by going over old ground 😂🤣
Open your mind and look at the facts is all I ask. I never wanted a simple suggestion to become personal.
I'll say no more because I don't want to disturb your little echo chamber.
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4 hours ago, stuie said:
I’m very aware of all performing arts, thanks. Aside from a couple of guest speakers, please explain the history of non-musical artists and the Pyramid stage. I’m intrigued.
Well you're trying to get me to justify something I didn't say, due to your previous confusion as to what "performing arts" means. Go check the last time you quoted me and catch up a little bit, then we could probably have a more coherent discussion. I see a non-musical act as a possibility, yes (there is a precedent for non musical slots on the Pyramid Stage - not many, but if there were it wouldn't be trying something new, would it?), but you're forgetting that a lot of theatre does in fact have musical elements too. And of course, the classical genre is an option, as I have previously stated. Which is musical, I think you'll agree.
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20 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:
The principle of having musical artists headlining the festival, of course. There's performing arts at the festival of course, but not on the Pyramid as headliners - not since, like, forever. They also have people dressed as seagulls at the festival, but I can't see them choosing a street artist, no matter how popular, to end the night on the main stage either.
I remember Corbyn, I was there. He was on for ten minutes before Run the Jewels. Incidentally, the crowd didn't change much from the end of his speech to them performing. I don't know if that's ground-breaking to have a politician talking on stage for ten minutes either or equals the festival being at the forefront of any zeitgeist exactly.
21 hours ago, stuie said:
it’s a festival of performing arts but the Pyramid is a music stage. No one disagrees SZA didn’t work out but there’s no need to move away from musical artists.Do you know that music IS a performing art? If the Glastonbury organisers was as narrow-thinking as some people on here, the festival as we know it wouldn't be here today. The classical and theatre markets are huge, and filled with very talented people.
And as for "moving away from musical artists" goes, the Pyramid Stage already does that regularly.
All I'm saying is, it's worth a try with one Pyramid headline slot, especially if they're starting to book traditional headliners that are missing the mark anyway. There's nothing to lose. It would take that "Pyramid Headliner" pressure off the organisers, and they know their loyalists (a lot of whom are on here (sycophants?)) would praise the festival no matter what. Worst case scenario? Another SZA.
Having said that, it wouldn't be a big risk. There are acts out there that are huge despite being out of the typical festival-goer's realms of comprehension.
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11 hours ago, GrumpyRaver said:
I’m not forgetting that in the slightest. It’s exactly why it’s not going to happen. As you say, they need to pay attention and book headliners that will be popular. An orchestra, ballet, opera, theatre, comedy or any such batshit idea is most certainly not what the audience, at the festival or at home, wants. You seem to be conflating what you like/want with what the wider audience wants, with absolutely zero evidence to base that on.
And I work for the BBC - we absolutely wouldn’t “eat up” an orchestral headliner. We like things that people will tune into in their millions. It wouldn’t come anywhere near the viewing figures for Coldplay or Dua. Or Billie, or Kendrick, or Macca, or Elton, or even Guns n Roses. It wouldn’t even get as many viewers as Sza.
Well, you saw what happened when a traditional artist with a billion streams headlined. Isn't that evidence that something isn't working? And I'm guessing you're not part of the team that splashes the Proms all over the BBC every year 😅
11 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:Just because SZA drew a poor crowd doesn't mean the festival should abandon their principles and do something totally out of the box. The other two nights were fine with Dua and Coldplay. All other previous headliners since the BBC started broadcasting have been fine too.
Plus, PJ Harvey and Janelle Monae also had tiny crowds. Should Glasto just abandon the whole Sunday and put on:
Macbeth > Madame Butterfly > Swan Lake > London Symphony Orchestra?
Nah.
SZA fell flat, but I don't think it was because she was super trendy or modern - the fest has heaps of super trendy acts on and they also do just fine. I think not enough people knew who she was from the beginning, checked her out, and then still didn't like what they heard on the Spotify for their Sunday night headliner. It was a punt that went wrong, for whatever reason.
Next year, with all of them getting moderately good 60-70k crowds:
Fri: Fred
Sat: Rhianna
Sun: EminemAbandon their principles? It's a festival of performing arts. What principle would they be abandoning? Glastonbury have always been at the forefront of trying something new. Who else would have Jeremy Corbyn speaking on their main stage? (Who, for the record, drew ten times the crowd SZA produced)
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13 hours ago, charlierc said:
I saw an orchestra playing film scores and classical pieces at Truck Festival and it was awesome, but headliner? Ambitious much?
Oh yeah, which orchestra was that? Vienna Philharmonic?
I think a lot of people on here who grew up getting off their face and dancing around to Happy Mondays probably don't have much of a grasp of wider musical delicacies that other people have sampled. Let's face it, the musical spectrum discussed here is very narrow, and Glastonbury is very middle class now.
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23 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:
I dunno, it's not the BBC Proms. Plus, with all the relevant lads crying foul over a band from 20 years ago, I don't think music, ballet, or a show written in the 1800s will go down too well either.
For T&C, I think you could make a case for having longer performances sometimes or more amateur dramatics from around the area coming in and performing for an hour at a time.
23 hours ago, GrumpyRaver said:Would be a great way to kill off the festival.
I think you're all forgetting how painfully few people were there for the super trendy modern act SZA. I think lessons have to be learnt about the Glastonbury audience after that one.
The BBC would eat up a big orchestra headlining with an ensemble cast of special guests (even contemporary musicians singing with classical backing). I guarantee you that would bring in more of a crowd/more viewing figures. Because, let's face it, it wouldn't couldn't draw less of a crowd, could it?
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I think it's time for a "thinking outside the box" headliner. A theatre production, ballet, or full orchestra, or something along those lines. It would make Glastonbury unique to all the other festivals, and it will adjust people's expectations and alleviate some of that pressure that Emily Eavis must feel.
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5 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:
An an hour minimum between acts to allow you time to assemble the bloody things
Stewards handing out those little silver spanner thingies instead of Coldplay wristbands 😅
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16 hours ago, SwallowOrSleepOnTheWetSpot said:
Already the case in mainland Europe.
What next? A pop up IKEA stall for deck chairs? 😅
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It's a real shame. A good selection of small traders can make a festival. Soon we'll see McDonalds stands at festivals, I bet.
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1 hour ago, fred quimby said:
Agree really with what you say. The sound thing was annoying a bit.
Not as aggressive as someone else we saw on that stage, they were having a proper barney at the sound folk.
The second half had certainly thinned right out, so probably lots of people felt the same as you. Was a gig of 2 half's. And he did keep saying that the second half would be lively which kind of sounded desperate a bit.
You know how how I feel about missing Chinchilla. Really should have listened to my heart and stayed and then winged my 8am meeting. You live and Learn (not to listen to my sensible wife, who bizarrely really wanted to see her)
It's horrible when the sound techs get shouted at. Never has it made the performer not sound like a complete arzehole.
Has anyone ever seen a sound guy walk on stage and chin a performer? 😅 I bet that has definitely happened, the way they get spoken to sometimes.
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20 hours ago, balti-pie said:
On that proviso then, Rose West hasnt killed anyone in yonks either, lets get her working in the kids field
Not long ago my friend was going on about a documentary he'd seen about the murderer "John West". True if you include tuna, I suppose.
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12 hours ago, maelzoid said:
The same Will Smith who has never played a full length gig in his entire career…?
Don’t get yr hopes up…
I'm sure he could manage 40 mins.
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I like that idea. The pass outs are well protected too.
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4 hours ago, Gnomicide said:Seems to have gone quiet, that one 🤣
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15 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:Wasn’t it talks with the Marquess ofBath about using Longleat as a possible venue?
That rings a bell. I also seem to remember an article (Guardian?) where ME said there was a site in the Midlands that they were thinking of moving the festival to. Definitely posturing though.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czdp9y7ree5o
Speaking of The Churnups, this story is disappointing. It annoys me when people paint themselves as so wholesome and nicey nicey then do sh*t like this. Even how he breaks the news is so sickly nice. I liked him, but turns out he's another scumbag 😠