Fourth headliner: The Stone Roses

[Hellborne]

I really don't mean to shit over everybody's parade on my first post, but here's an interview with Ian Brown from like earlier this month:

http://www.clashmusic.com/feature/ian-brow...uncut-interview

Here's the bits I'm interested in:

"So aside from any random, fantastical, Led Zeppelin one offs do you…

I’d need to be down to my last chicken dinner, seriously. Every single act that’s reformed has done it for the money, I don’t think there’s anyone who’s done it for expression, artistic expression, or this burning desire to create more music or… I think it’s about money. I could always ring Mani and say: “Let’s get the band back together.” But if I said let’s do it and give the money to kids’ charities, would he still want to do it? I don’t think they would.

"So, could you see yourself sending John a packet of Maltesers in the future?

I haven’t spoken to him since the phone call when he left the band in ‘96."

He mentions on it he wouldn't wanna do the reunion & he hasn't spoken to John for 13 years. That's pretty conclusion to me.

[Kowalski]

Screamadelica FTW.

[chimpy]

and this decade we got what

(please dont anyone say the libertines....)

[The Nal]

The Roses at Glastonbury would be a moment of sublime poetic majesty.

Youre talking out of your ring here lad. Blur are reformed band, do you have a problem with that too? Which bands play for free exactly by the way? One great album? Who cares? Joe Public at Glastonbury knows ten times as many Roses songs as Neil Young.

[Tugger2k]

I'm not a masive fan of Oasis, but quite a small movement called britpop happened shortly after its release... Views of the foresaid albums of course is subjective but to say there were not many seminal albums in the 90's isnt right and to say that OK computer isn't seminal just is plain wrong. The ninities aso gave us rage against the machine and nirvana - I think that nirvana album did a little bit to change the music scene too...

I was around when The Stone Roses album was released, it didn't have a massive impact at all, infact it's impact didn't really kick in till maybe the mid ninties, they did cock all for many years while they were fighting with their label. They did of course give us that baggy scene which gave us the mondays, charlatans and (gulp) The Farm!

[chimpy]

them and blur the twunts ;-)

it's strange how we keep reforming 90's bands for headliners though! what with it having no impact on the music scene

[Kowalski]

where did i say that OK Computer wasnt seminal.

nothing musically changed after definatly, park life or class. just the scene moved from indie and became the mainstream. the music itself didnt change. it becoming mainstream led to the explosion of brit pop acts, but thats music executives jumping on the band wagon, not something in music changing.

i agree with you, nevermind IS a seminal album, because it changed music, even helped create a scene within the mainstream.

the reason i think that the roses album is almost the most important album of a generation is because before it (and as i have stated IMO screamadelica) 2 genres were at odds with eachoter. i almost never saw an indie kid at a rave and almost never saw a raver at a smiths/cure gig (and strangely i was at both kinds of gigs). after the release of those 2 albums (and even to a certain extent thrills,pills) the whole thing changed. suddenly everyone was a raver, everyone was an indie kid.

i think that the scene changing album is becoming more and more rare, simply because the number of crossover acts is becoming smaller, there is after all, a finite combination of how notes can be used together.

[Hellborne]

Blue Lines?

Nevermind?

Entroducing?

Exit Planet Dust?

Music for the Jilted Generation?

Out of Time?

Grace?

Slim Shady LP?

[Wooderson]

the Roses reunion would be cash grabbing bollox.

[chimpy]

where did i say that OK Computer wasnt seminal.

nothing musically changed after definatly, park life or class. just the scene moved from indie and became the mainstream. the music itself didnt change. it becoming mainstream led to the explosion of brit pop acts, but thats music executives jumping on the band wagon, not something in music changing.

i agree with you, nevermind IS a seminal album, because it changed music, even helped create a scene within the mainstream.

the reason i think that the roses album is almost the most important album of a generation is because before it (and as i have stated IMO screamadelica) 2 genres were at odds with eachoter. i almost never saw an indie kid at a rave and almost never saw a raver at a smiths/cure gig (and strangely i was at both kinds of gigs). after the release of those 2 albums (and even to a certain extent thrills,pills) the whole thing changed. suddenly everyone was a raver, everyone was an indie kid.

i think that the scene changing album is becoming more and more rare, simply because the number of crossover acts is becoming smaller, there is after all, a finite combination of how notes can be used together.

[chimpy]

Ohh I forgot mercury rev, must dig deserters songs out now!

[Tugger2k]

Blue Lines?

Nevermind?

Entroducing?

Exit Planet Dust?

Music for the Jilted Generation?

Out of Time?

Grace?

Slim Shady LP?

[Wooderson]

im not dicounting them as great albums. but IMO a seminal album has to change the face of music.

apart from Blue Lines i dont see anything in there that a) hadnt to certain extent been done before & changed the face of the scene.

also theres a few in there that either couldnt/wouldnt have been made without the roses/sceam busting the door open for dance music to filter into the mainstream, so far from being seminal, they are extensions of a movement.

again, im not saying that their not great albums, i own and love them them all, its just that perhaps my interpretation of seminal is narrower than most

Edited March 17, 2009 by Wooderson

[chimpy]

im not dicounting them as great albums. but IMO a seminal album has to change the face of music.

apart from Blue Lines i dont see anything in there that a) hadnt to certain extent been done before & changed the face of the scene.

also theres a few in there that either couldnt/wouldnt have been made without the roses/sceam busting the door open for dance music to filter into the mainstream, so far from being seminal, they are extensions of a movement.

again, im not saying that their not great albums, i own and love them them all, its just that perhaps my interpretation of seminal is narrower than most

[Tugger2k]

In fairness to the kid Tugger, "Grace" is a seminal record. We'd have no Keane, Snow Patrol, Coldplay etc without it.

Not that thats in the slightest way a good thing of course.

[Wooderson]

The Byrds??

but they had wonderful voices, harmonies, that sort of thing

[sifi]

The Byrds??

but they had wonderful voices, harmonies, that sort of thing

Edited March 17, 2009 by sifimaster

[Tugger2k]

I looked up seminal and got this ;-)

•S: (adj) seminal (pertaining to or containing or consisting of semen) "seminal fluid"

[chimpy]

i wondered how long it would to descend into this

[Tugger2k]

You should have seen it coming!

[Hellborne]

im not dicounting them as great albums. but IMO a seminal album has to change the face of music.

apart from Blue Lines i dont see anything in there that a) hadnt to certain extent been done before & changed the face of the scene.

[When Jokers Attack]

And some cracking tunes.

Mr Tambourine Man, All I Wanna Do, Chimes of Freedom, You Ain't Goin' Nowhere, Spanish Harlem Incident.

Oh.

I am kidding by the way. They win just for Gram

[sifi]

The Byrds are amazing, alot more to them than the Dylan covers.

[Filthy]

I think it could be argued that Exit Planet Dust and Music for the Jilted Generation changed the face of music, with Big Beat as a scene forming around The Chemical Brothers and the rock/rave crossover we're still seeing today being inspired by the Prodigy. I don't thnk either of these albums, in style or content, had been done before by anyone. Yes, they were influenced by what came before them, but they were unique in putting it together and reaching big audiences the way they both did on those albums.

[Tugger2k]

I think it could be argued that Exit Planet Dust and Music for the Jilted Generation changed the face of music, with Big Beat as a scene forming around The Chemical Brothers and the rock/rave crossover we're still seeing today being inspired by the Prodigy. I don't thnk either of these albums, in style or content, had been done before by anyone. Yes, they were influenced by what came before them, but they were unique in putting it together and reaching big audiences the way they both did on those albums.