Glasto virgin

[glasto-worker]

it may be hard to buy drinks at the bar if under 18. but from what people have said there is no problems with getting through the gates. and also at many/most recent gigs ive been too i and my friends have been served and we are all 17

[OrganisedChaos09]

sorry mate but as someone who works in a bar I would rather not be fined and potentially end up in court by refusing the follow the law and serving underage kids. quite frankly by saying bar tenders at the festival who follow the law by not serving to kids "disgust you" makes you a bit of a tool.

[glasto-worker]

Agree completely! I'm a doorman at the mo but previous to that i worked behind a bar and if i was asked to serve someone underage or someone presented me with a non-satisfactory ID then they were told no, asked to leave and the ID would be given to the police. Anyone who argued would have the same response. "look mate, im not happy about the fact you've tried to con me, and no im not risking losing my job, my doormans licence, criminal conviction, on the spot fine and looking like a general idiot infront of everyone!

Again completely agree with glasto-worker on this whole subject the law says 18 is the min age to buy alcohol. like it or not that is the law of this country and as long as people keep trying to break this law its going to make everyone else suffer which will cause waits.

due to initiatives some places now implement challenge 25 instead of 21. so if you look under 25 just carry your ID just incase.

If everythings ok and you provide the correct ID then the process will move alot quicker.

Regarding recognising fake Pass holograms anyone whos seen a fair amount can recognise the difference your best off not bothering to try it. they cost not alot in £ terms but in the amount of hassle you'll have if you get caught then its a heavy price to pay for the risk.

hope you have a nice festival i plan to doing 12hr shifts in the mud

[ethocmub]

How about this, I'm 17 and will be 17 for a while but I'm going to be with 2 18 year-old friends. How legal/practical is it for them to buy it for me and then hand it to me at the table?

I'm an American if that makes any difference, but it won't so... hello.

[Man drew]

How about this, I'm 17 and will be 17 for a while but I'm going to be with 2 18 year-old friends. How legal/practical is it for them to buy it for me and then hand it to me at the table?

I'm an American if that makes any difference, but it won't so... hello.

[INeedBeer]

How about this, I'm 17 and will be 17 for a while but I'm going to be with 2 18 year-old friends. How legal/practical is it for them to buy it for me and then hand it to me at the table?

I'm an American if that makes any difference, but it won't so... hello.

[INeedBeer]

im 26 and dont have an issue with looking young for my age and would be gutted if i had to start takin ID with me every were i went because of over cautious bar staff.

At the same time i am a personnel license holder which permits me to sell alcohol, and the more protection we give our selves the better as long as the law is applied logically by all

[De Selby]

I myself have just turned 18, however the only form of id with my dob on it (as far as I am aware of) is my passport. Although I do not really want to take and risk losing this at glasto.

I read that it might be acceptable to take a photocopy of my passport. Also as a possible alternative, could i take an old passport.

Are either of these options sufficient?

[Mmmm Beer]

Yes you are correct the Challenge 25 is now being implemented in England.

http://www.wsta.co.uk/Challenge-25.html

and in fact makes a lot more sense as there will be less and less borderline cases as very few 17 year olds would pass for 24.

From experience I know the Customer will already be aware there is a very good chance they will be asked so will have their ID to hand - in a very busy bar the staff don't have time to wait for someone who claims they have ID but its at the bottom of a bag.

All the WBC Bars have their own Security and a Joker with fake ID will be held until they can be picked up by Police

The Police may take them to the local Police station where they may call their Parents - all this takes time - lots and lots of time.

[Onus]

I myself have just turned 18, however the only form of id with my dob on it (as far as I am aware of) is my passport. Although I do not really want to take and risk losing this at glasto.

I read that it might be acceptable to take a photocopy of my passport. Also as a possible alternative, could i take an old passport.

Are either of these options sufficient?

Edited June 3, 2009 by Onus

[farewellandgoodnight]

glasto-worker, well done mate, you're a bloody good volunteer, you're doing a dutiful service...

but, i'm sorry if this is a sweeping generalisation...

but you're such a square :angry:

whos decision was it, that certain people of a certain "age", should be allowed to drink certain liquids and others shouldn't

f**k what it does to you, alot of "government" surveys are propaganda

the way you follow the law to the hilt disgusts me, you do realise its all totally arbitrary and has been created by peoples sheer whims.

law initally followed a rule of precedent, where judges put in place by william the conqueror LITERALLY made up the law as they went along.

the fact that you choose to live the precious few moments of your only life continuing to enforce these said rules is laughable.

people should be allowed to drink if they want to. simple as that. when they start harming other people thats the problem, let them do as they want to themselves.

Edited June 3, 2009 by farewellandgoodnight

[redmosquito]

I totally agree with people that won't serve if your under 18 but I'd like to think that if your 18th is on the Saturday they might be able to use a little discretion and serve you anyway. I few hours isn't going to make too much of a difference and I can't see the police being too heavey handed if it really is a matter of 2 days.

[glasto-worker]

Is that you Brian? If so hope you are doin ok. Hope we see you again this year (car park ticket last year).

Any news on bar opeing times for this year?

[Onus]

I totally agree with people that won't serve if your under 18 but I'd like to think that if your 18th is on the Saturday they might be able to use a little discretion and serve you anyway. I few hours isn't going to make too much of a difference and I can't see the police being too heavey handed if it really is a matter of 2 days.

Edited June 3, 2009 by Onus

[dcsessions]

It's all fair enough because it's the letter of the law. Im no conspiracy theorist but surely this is turning into an ID card style policy. A pub in my town is now enforcing a challenge 30 policy which is ludicrous in my opinion. Not only that but you get id'd on entry and then again every time you go to the bar, sometimes by the same member of staff. It's a joke and this is what annoys people.

It's this kind of policy i think that winds people up. IMO if you're under 18 you shouldn't be buying alcohol, end of. If you're caught doing it then it's your problem. Instead, it's the sellers being punished which is understandable if they are openly selling to 15yo's but if they are responsibly ID'ing most people that they realisticly believe are 18 then there are always going to be some slipping through the net.

I think the main problem is that people have no sympathy with these new rules because it inconveniences people who are doing no wrong, people who "look under 25". It's so subjective! So in a way innocent people are being punished. I'm not having a go at WBC because they are just enforcing rules passed on down from whoever.

Edited June 3, 2009 by dcsessions

[glasto-worker]

Re - ethocmub

How about this, I'm 17 and will be 17 for a while but I'm going to be with 2 18 year-old friends. How legal/practical is it for them to buy it for me and then hand it to me at the table?

I'm an American if that makes any difference, but it won't so... hello.

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Your friends risk a fine up to £ 5,000 if they get caught.

Re - INeedBeer

im 26 and dont have an issue with looking young for my age and would be gutted if i had to start takin ID with me every were i went because of over cautious bar staff.

At the same time i am a personnel license holder which permits me to sell alcohol, and the more protection we give our selves the better as long as the law is applied logically by all.

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So if you walked into Your Pub and your staff asked you for ID would you call them

' over cautious bar staff ' ? or would you thank them for doing their Job.

You must know the score - staff will use commonsense but there is always some people

who will get asked even although they are over 24.

Re - De Selby

I myself have just turned 18, however the only form of id with my dob on it (as far as I am aware of) is my passport. Although I do not really want to take and risk losing this at glasto.

I read that it might be acceptable to take a photocopy of my passport. Also as a possible alternative, could i take an old passport.

Are either of these options sufficient?

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You dont state where you learned that taking a photocopy would be acceptable because

no photocopy is acceptable.

Under the strict Guidelines its supposed to be a ' Current ' passport but some staff will accept a old one but you cant complain if they dont.

Re - Onus

I'd assume not. Photocopies and/or out of date passports aren't accepted in pubs. Also, if you are going for a PASS card, I'd consider the CitizenCard as the Portman (to use an example which no longer operates, but hey!) etc cards have had issues and a number of outlets will no longer accept them (see The Publican from 9 months (ish) ago).

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There was various issues of cards but the only ones that are now acceptable are one where the PASS hologram appears on it

Re - redmosquito

I totally agree with people that won't serve if your under 18 but I'd like to think that if your 18th is on the Saturday they might be able to use a little discretion and serve you anyway. I few hours isn't going to make too much of a difference and I can't see the police being too heavey handed if it really is a matter of 2 days.

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I take it you dont work in a Bar - the law is very clear about this and staff can be finned if they break the law { which they would be doing if they turned a Blind Eye } plus the person who was under age can also be arrested and face a fine of £ 1,000 even if they were only minuets away from turning 18 .

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you would not believe the amount of officials that are checking on the bars and they don't all wear Uniforms. Belive me the staff cant risk taking any chances so if you suspect you will be asked its up to you to produce acceptable ID - it does not matter if its Glastonbury the law still applies.

[OrganisedChaos09]

How about this, I'm 17 and will be 17 for a while but I'm going to be with 2 18 year-old friends. How legal/practical is it for them to buy it for me and then hand it to me at the table?

I'm an American if that makes any difference, but it won't so... hello.

[farewellandgoodnight]

How about this, I'm 17 and will be 17 for a while but I'm going to be with 2 18 year-old friends. How legal/practical is it for them to buy it for me and then hand it to me at the table?

I'm an American if that makes any difference, but it won't so... hello.

Edited June 3, 2009 by farewellandgoodnight

[De Selby]

Thanks to everyone who replied to my questions, sorry for their banal and rather idiotic nature

You dont state where you learned that taking a photocopy would be acceptable

[gemstarrr]

i've found they do ID at glasto if you don't look 18. particularly in the tents.

you can still move on and try somewhere else though.

it's definatey got stricter, i didn't get IDed at all in 07 and i was 15 but last year did a couple of times.

i'll be 17 this year (nearly 18) and won't be surprised if i get IDed. i do in 'the real world' half the time now so it's to be expected! i wouldn't bother with fakes, as it's just too much hassle if you get caught. recently i've had alot of friends in trouble with the police over fakes and using friends and they've got really upset and stressed out about it, you have to go to the police station and they call your parents.

i'll be taking my own this year, it's cheaper anyway! glad i'll be 18 before leeds tho, as you can't take drinks into the arena apparently!

[pie_and_a_pint]

I'm 31, and a few weeks ago realised, while dyeing my hair, that I'm starting to go grey. So if I get ID'ed I shall be delighted that the barperson in question thinks I look young!

[CmdrGravy]

I can completely understand why bar staff nowadays would always ask for ID and in their position I would do the same since I certainly wouldn't want to lose my job for the sake of some 15 year old getting drunk and having a fun evening but that said I think this is a ridiculous policy which completely removes the power of discretion from the bar staff, costs a lot of money and doesn't seem to provide much benefit over the policy which was in place when I was a teenager.

The first time I went to a bar I was still wearing most of my school uniform and I was so clueless I asked the barman "erm, can I have a pint with a bit from that tap, some of that one and then, er what's this Cider ? and yes the rest Cider please". They served me with no problems at all whereas nowadays I suspect they there is no way on earth they would do.

The main danger for young people drinking is them simply overdoing it because they don't know what there limits are, in my day whilst myself and my friends were hardly ever asked for any ID there were frequent occasions when the bar manager would decide that we had drunk far too much and refuse to serve us anymore. The way things are going now is pure madness some places will ask for ID if you look under 30 and from what I can see there is no difference between the amount of drunken teenagers around nowadays than there ever used to be, maybe if anything they're drinking on the streets more now without any barstaff there to give them the friendly advice that enough is enough.

[glasto-worker]

glasto worker i think you should relax and let people take the risk if they want too.

[benissright]

Re - ethocmub

How about this, I'm 17 and will be 17 for a while but I'm going to be with 2 18 year-old friends. How legal/practical is it for them to buy it for me and then hand it to me at the table?

I'm an American if that makes any difference, but it won't so... hello.

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Your friends risk a fine up to £ 5,000 if they get caught.

Usually a person over 18 can buy as much alcohol as they like. If the bar suspects that there is a high possibility of 18/19 year olds supplying alcohol to under 18s, they will limit that person to two drinks at a time. In a festival situation, it is unlikely you will see police out to get you, it does happen. However be sensible, same as dont smoke a joint in front of a cop, dont drink alcohol as a 17 year old in front of one.

Re - De Selby

I myself have just turned 18, however the only form of id with my dob on it (as far as I am aware of) is my passport. Although I do not really want to take and risk losing this at glasto.

I read that it might be acceptable to take a photocopy of my passport. Also as a possible alternative, could i take an old passport.

Are either of these options sufficient?

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You dont state where you learned that taking a photocopy would be acceptable because

no photocopy is acceptable.

Under the strict Guidelines its supposed to be a ' Current ' passport but some staff will accept a old one but you cant complain if they dont.

Personally the only ID i accept is drivers licence or passport. None of this PASS logo rubbish. A drivers licence doesnt cost much or take long to apply for. Go out any buy one. And no, why would a photocopy work, when you could easily just scan it in and alter the dates? I wouldnt accept an old passport, because how do i know that isnt just a relative.

Re - redmosquito

I totally agree with people that won't serve if your under 18 but I'd like to think that if your 18th is on the Saturday they might be able to use a little discretion and serve you anyway. I few hours isn't going to make too much of a difference and I can't see the police being too heavey handed if it really is a matter of 2 days.

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I take it you dont work in a Bar - the law is very clear about this and staff can be finned if they break the law { which they would be doing if they turned a Blind Eye } plus the person who was under age can also be arrested and face a fine of £ 1,000 even if they were only minuets away from turning 18 .

Actually, this is a very easy one to get out of. As a bar staff member i would serve the person the day before his birthday. Simply because my defence would be, "im sorry, i got the date wrong and he told me it was his birthday". It would never go to court and the police would never bother. Id tell the customer to instead tell me it was his birthday and to shut the f**k up.

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[Moonlight]

I am 25 and I get IDed almost everytime I buy booze in a supermarket, and also frequently for bars and clubs. This is in start contrast to how is was when I was myself underage, and indeed when I was under 21.

Times have changed, stop moaning, take ID and get on with it. I always have ID with me nowadays, it's not that much hassle.