Taking H&S, uniforms and rules a little too fair

[rabid]

Costs a fortune

[-pogo-]

£250 for 2 kids.

[oafc0000]

What kind of school did you go to where the teacher took a shower with the kids???!!!

[oafc0000]

£250 for 2 kids.

[TalkShow Bob]

Ive never been a fan of school uniform, and never really conformed to it when I was at school, but at my school you were meant to buy the school jumper. They were total crap, fell apart fast and ridiculously expensive.

[-pogo-]

ffs pogo...

I remember after PE some kids would not bother showering. PE teacher used to make sure all children took a shower and we was sat down on a number of situation to be told showering after sports was important.

You dont have to go into the f**king shower with them... Sometimes I wonder about you...

[oafc0000]

It was written for comic effect.

Edited October 7, 2009 by oafc0000

[Rufus Gwertigan]

mmm.. I'd be curious to know what you're basing your findings on...

all of them have embraced it?

why should a kid have a sense of identity that's anything to do with the school they got to? so they can start the competition that like is being ground down to (this school's better than that school...)?

we were told all this guff when the school introduced the uniform. One of the issues was brought to a head when there was a fight between some kids (from a school that had a uniform, ironically.... or not?) and 'our' school in a shop. The police were brought in, it made the local paper, the police were taken to task for being heavy handed, etc.. so the new head said they couldn't identify the kids from the trouble-free (ours) school... so a uniform would help. The other school is well known for targetting violence on our school, so we said "great, now they haver no problem identifying my kids are from that school (that they constantly bully)".. brilliant!

Edited October 7, 2009 by Rufus Gwertigan

[dakyras]

Schools should be run like concentration camps. And the only subjects taught should be Latin grammar, English literature, Physics, Biology, Chemistry, and Maths.

[rabid]

For jumpers??

[dakyras]

School is not just about educational standards. A school SHOULD ALWAYS be there to teach are children more. For example, in PE a child is meant to be taught about washing themselves properly. Maintaining hygiene standards. Kids have PSE lessons to teach them about personal and social issues and responsibilities. The school uniform is about teaching a kid about dressing for the situation you are in. It also a simple tool to remove discrimination when some child can not afford the latest trainers etc.

[oafc0000]

jeez.. I've been through this so many times over the last couple of years..

if a parent can't tell their kid that they can't have everything they want, then they need some parenting help.

[dakyras]

If you abolish school uniforms, will there be free tie tying lessons?

[oafc0000]

For the whole uniform.

[oafc0000]

yea, I got that

It was easy when I went to school (in a uniform) and it's easy now. Black trousers, worn out at the knees, too big or too small, is pretty easy to identify. Conversely, with no uniform, some kids might even like wearing worn in (out?) clothes

Can't be bothered, or don't want to have to think about it (what to wear in the morning) is a common reason given by those who like a uniform

I'm talking when a uniform isn't in place

Depends if you want a school of kids who are happy in their environment. Our school did have kids like that, possibly not that extreme.

Edited October 7, 2009 by oafc0000

[Rufus Gwertigan]

the few parents I know that supported the uniform, had pretty lame reasons like, "I don't have to worry about what my kid will wear in the morning".... yet they wouldn't let their kid wear what they wanted to when they could

I don't think a uniform alone suppresses creativity, it's just part of a package... I mean, look... somewhere earlier in this thread there was a reference to christian values

"To encourage personal, moral and spiritual development within a Christian framework"

welcome to the brave new world...

how come schools abroad (that happen to not have uniform policies) do better in general than ours in the uk?

it's not all down to the uniform, it's old fashioned, fairly blinkered thinking as far as I can see

[LondonTom]

I want to a regimented catholic school that picked on stuff like this, I can say it worked for the area I live in though look at the state of the other schools. It installed pride in us as we was always the sharpest looking school kids around. We had to have our ties roughly 30cm long or something(Not based on stripes), Blazers on at all times unless you had permission from a teacher(Sometimes they would let it slide when in the playground during the summer). Hairs no shorter than a number 2.

It worked though, by cracked down on the tiny things such as that we all knew they meant business if we were to do anything else. Freedom of expression can be done at weekends and I can honestly say I see the benefits as of getting used to having to wear what someone else wants me to. At work, I was not bothered by the uniform and at uni during simulated business week, I was one of a few who didn't mind wearing suits.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

you obviously put a level of 'importance' on looking sharp

[oafc0000]

I don't really think it's up to the school to teach discipline. You get a level of respect if you show it, mainly that should be the parents 'job'

Edited October 7, 2009 by oafc0000

[Rufus Gwertigan]

no... I agree. It's very hard to get any information at all.

my main beef wasn't with the idea that some kids, or parents wanted a school with a uniform, just that in our area, we're relatively lucky to have some choice, but this was the one school that didn't have a uniform policy, and was chosen by many because of that... if anyone wanted a uniform school they should have chosen that in the first place.

then there was this new head who had other ideas..

The most I could find out from our local education authority was that it was a policy put into place by Johnson (Alan?) when he was invloved in education, but there was no real reason given, he just thought it was a good idea

[oafc0000]

I think it is up to the parent...

If a child is simply pestered into picking up litter, without it ever being explained what's wrong them, he or she will just end up resnting people who tell him/her what to do..

it's all about earning respect...

by giving it in the first place

the whole discipline thing worries me too... we didn't have 2 daughters to discipline them into how to live their lives, we led by example..

don't tell your kids not to do anything unless you have a simple valid reason.

"You can't wear that to school"

"why not?"

"because it's the rules"....

[sifi]

We are a broken society and I think this is a big part of it. If we can not trust the rest of society to help raise are kids it says a lot about society dosent it... In the past, we used to place a certain amount of trust in our fellow man to help... I would suggest the media played a part in the destruction of that...

[amy246]

I think it's all about finding the balance. The first article was too extreme however i do agree with having school uniform. At both my primary and secondary school they had the basic uniform but then you had some freedom to be creative and express yourself. Most of the rules they set regarding uniform seemed justified (hair must be up for science/food/technology subjects or heels must be shorter than 2 1/2 inches etc.) and i liked it that way and many others did too.

[Sparticus]

just one bit to add to this.

Yesterday, the local paper ran a story, 95 kids sent home because they had the wrong type of black shoes on what a load of bollocks.

[sifi]

We've got a dress code policy at work. It's hardly difficult to implement or enforce.

That's not a reason to have a dress code, or a uniform, however. I'm very much on the fence here. I had a school uniform, blazer et al at my comprehensive school I went to, and I found it satorially offensive. But as for a force for good, or if it's an infringment on liberty, I'm undecided.

Does everyone wear the same uniform in some Japanese car manufacturers still?

Edited October 7, 2009 by sifimaster