Taking H&S, uniforms and rules a little too fair

[Peevis]

well, as soon as you have a uniform policy, that's the kind of thing a school has todeal with.

Black trousers... are black jeans trousers?

Black shoes...so many shoes are now designed to look like trainers, but trainers aren't allowed...

some teachers are complaining that they're wasting time implementing (what they think is) a pointless policy..

going back to the original post... it's funny how things turn 'round. I was getting told to get my hair cut at school... these 2 kids are told it's too short.... how odd

[Cheshire Cat]

At my daughters high school we were told by the head that one reason they have a strict uniform policy was that as teenagers will always rebel about something and its easier to be strict about uniform and let them rebel about it, sort of giving them a target for their frustrations and means they rebel less about stuff like homework.

Im not sure if it worked though, one of their policies was that boys should not have hair shorter than a number 1 cut and she would constantly beg me to shave her head just to see if they did anything.

One thing though I do believe that if a school has a uniform policy then the teachers should have a dress code similar. At the same school as above only natural hair colours were allowed and yet at one point a teacher had pink hair, another rule was only small ear studs were allowed yet one teacher wore a nose stud.

[sifi]

Im not sure if it worked though, one of their policies was that boys should not have hair shorter than a number 1 cut and she would constantly beg me to shave her head just to see if they did anything.

[Cheshire Cat]

We've got a dress code policy at work. It's hardly difficult to implement or enforce.

That's not a reason to have a dress code, or a uniform, however. I'm very much on the fence here. I had a school uniform, blazer et al at my comprehensive school I went to, and I found it satorially offensive. But as for a force for good, or if it's an infringment on liberty, I'm undecided.

Does everyone wear the same uniform in some Japanese car manufacturers still?

[Cheshire Cat]

This is insanity. What happens if a boy has no hair?

[oafc0000]

well, as soon as you have a uniform policy, that's the kind of thing a school has todeal with.

Black trousers... are black jeans trousers?

Black shoes...so many shoes are now designed to look like trainers, but trainers aren't allowed...

some teachers are complaining that they're wasting time implementing (what they think is) a pointless policy..

going back to the original post... it's funny how things turn 'round. I was getting told to get my hair cut at school... these 2 kids are told it's too short.... how odd

[oafc0000]

nope, I'm letting you know how some of the teachers feel.

Edited October 7, 2009 by oafc0000

[bunique]

why else would they want to rebel against it?

[Alexx (:]

I didn't exactly go to the best school (pupils threw chairs at teachers and made them cry, PE involved skiving and chain smoking, and everyone knew the headteacher was sleeping with his pupils), no one was really strict about our uniform (wearing a tie as a belt/in your hair was acceptable, skirts could be as short as you want, black trainers rather than shoes etc) and I definately had and saw some 'extreme hairstyles' (I once had every colour of the rainbow in my hair, good times!) and I still managed to leave with 13 GCSE's (all C or above) and a Diploma.

Didn't seem to affect me.

[bunique]

The idea that it's healthy for kids to have something to rebel against is so daft

[oafc0000]

and who's going to be policing all this. It isn't that clear at a distance whether it's a pair of trousers or jeans, the same with some trainers and some shoes. It needs teachers checking up on these irelevancies (irelevant to what they should be doing at school, at least).

Have you seen the range of black trousers/jeans there these days. When is a pair of trousers a pair of jeans? Is it the style, is it the material that's used... ?

Edited October 7, 2009 by oafc0000

[Cheshire Cat]

and who's going to be policing all this. It isn't that clear at a distance whether it's a pair of trousers or jeans, the same with some trainers and some shoes. It needs teachers checking up on these irelevancies (irelevant to what they should be doing at school, at least).

Have you seen the range of black trousers/jeans there these days. When is a pair of trousers a pair of jeans? Is it the style, is it the material that's used... ?

[oafc0000]

it's not casullay though.. what IS the difference between a pair of trousers and a pair of jeans? I'm not being flippant, it's not clear. As a far as I'm concerned, a pair of jeans is a pair of trousers (all oranges are fruit etc).. a specific type... but the difference is fairly minimal with a lot of styles these days.. go have a look in Topshop or Topman, or Hennes, or any number of shops

Edited October 7, 2009 by oafc0000

[Cheshire Cat]

putting something in place, specifically so that they (the kids) have something to rebel against is too skewed for words

rebelling against something that is wrong is different and natural (I believe)

[oafc0000]

I always planned on getting actively involved with my child's school and planned on becoming a school governor. These discussions make me want to even more. I also want to get activily invovled with the people teaching my children and their friends.

As anyone done it ? My mum did and thought it was great. Gives you a strong and clear voice as well!

[Cheshire Cat]

So if it's only got 4 pockets, maybe only 3, in the style of a pair of jeans (as defined by you), made of a light cotton, what are they?

and for the feet. What constitutes trainers. Something made of a light leather, with laces, and soft souls.. like Campers for example, what are they?

[Cheshire Cat]

It was brought up by someone earlier as a reason

yea, I know. I, and many others, think that's bollocks...

with all due respect

[oafc0000]

f**king jesus...

the teachers want to teach

Edited October 7, 2009 by oafc0000

[dakyras]

I thought the role of the teacher was to educate, not teach.

[oafc0000]

I thought the role of the teacher was to educate, not teach.

Edited October 7, 2009 by oafc0000

[feral chile]

I am a seamstress and I can tell you it is simple to tell at a distance the differenace between jeans and trousers, they hang completely differently.

Jeans - five pocket western style jeans are standard but generally they have to be made of denim to be called jeans.

The school I used to go to girls were supposed to wear navy blue knickers and the head who left just after I started used to make girls walk over a mirror to check, she also used to get a ruler out to measure that skirts were not too far above or below the knee.

Edited October 7, 2009 by feral chile

[Shinny]

I didn't exactly go to the best school (pupils threw chairs at teachers and made them cry, PE involved skiving and chain smoking, and everyone knew the headteacher was sleeping with his pupils), no one was really strict about our uniform (wearing a tie as a belt/in your hair was acceptable, skirts could be as short as you want, black trainers rather than shoes etc) and I definately had and saw some 'extreme hairstyles' (I once had every colour of the rainbow in my hair, good times!) and I still managed to leave with 13 GCSE's (all C or above) and a Diploma.

Didn't seem to affect me.

[feral chile]

Yeah the school when I used to be there was pretty bad, though I doubt anyone was sleeping with the head at the time!

I left with 9 - but we were only allowed to take 10 - and I "sort" of failed food on purpose

[feral chile]

putting something in place, specifically so that they (the kids) have something to rebel against is too skewed for words

rebelling against something that is wrong is different and natural (I believe)

[oafc0000]

I'm not just being awkward, I'm pointing out the difficulties teachers have in implementing vague rules. You brought up the five pocket thing

Some people think being able to get 2 pairs of trousers for a fiver is ethically wrong.. in that they can only be made for that price through some kind of slave labour

You say I'm just being awkward, I say you'll swallow anything for an easy life

Edited October 7, 2009 by oafc0000