rage against the machine for christmas no1!

[ampersand]

Hot dog by Limp Bizkit would have been a funnier one though. If you haven't heard the song, I suggest you check out the lyrics, very poignant, and mature.

[ampersand]

The only thing that annoys me about it is the people who try and read too much into it.

[the_frame]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a19...age-single.html

He deserves not to be number one for this comment alone.

[ampersand]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a19...age-single.html

He deserves not to be number one for this comment alone.

[the_frame]

because he's not into the same music as you? facist!

[ampersand]

no, liking it is one thing, not having heard it is another thing entirely.

[Snufflebutt]

no, liking it is one thing, not having heard it is another thing entirely.

[swede]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a19...age-single.html

He deserves not to be number one for this comment alone.

[ampersand]

Im not a big fan of hip-hop, rnb, jazz and classic, does that make me a dick for not knowing songs in these genres that came out years ago, no, its the same with him.

[wee_insomniac]

As far as I can see the only hypocrisy about the RATM song is the fact that it shouts f**k YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME, and then we are being told to go out and buy it to make this year's christmas number 1 a bit different.

But there's a difference between a group set up by individuals with no actual financial (or other) interest apart from that which it means to achieve and what X Factor sets out to achieve.

Which is not the same as here is a song manufactured by a totally fabricated performer, performed by another, who's soul aim is to sell a load of singles at Christmas, and then possibly have a couple of hits after that, although I don't think this one will.

Either way, it's not actually stopping people from buying Joe's single, it just shows that there is something else that a large number of people would rather listen to, which even if the song doesn't get to number 1, that point will have been made.

Surrounded by calls of, oh, just let him have his minute of fame, and don't be so mean to the poor boy at Christmas... What a load of crap!

[llcoolphil]

As far as I can see the only hypocrisy about the RATM song is the fact that it shouts f**k YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME, and then we are being told to go out and buy it to make this year's christmas number 1 a bit different.

But there's a difference between a group set up by individuals with no actual financial (or other) interest apart from that which it means to achieve and what X Factor sets out to achieve.

Which is not the same as here is a song manufactured by a totally fabricated performer, performed by another, who's soul aim is to sell a load of singles at Christmas, and then possibly have a couple of hits after that, although I don't think this one will.

Either way, it's not actually stopping people from buying Joe's single, it just shows that there is something else that a large number of people would rather listen to, which even if the song doesn't get to number 1, that point will have been made.

Surrounded by calls of, oh, just let him have his minute of fame, and don't be so mean to the poor boy at Christmas... What a load of crap!

[Kowalski]

this is like choosing between two things. a single released to make money, or a campaign based on hate.

Edited December 18, 2009 by Kowalski

[Kowalski]

why, because looking into it uncovers the bullshit and hypocrisy? i can understand why you feel this way.

[ampersand]

£50K for Shelter proves you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

[Kowalski]

this was an after thought. the campaign was started as a hatred of xfactor. good has come of it though i will admit. but the initial sentiment is 'f**k you xfactor', not 'help shelter'.

youre a nob if you think otherwise.

[ampersand]

Id like to believe underneath the frivolity of the charts there is actually a wider message about people actually being able to achieve stuff when they organise themselves. Im not convinced but Id certainly like to believe it

[Kowalski]

800,000 facebook members, under 200,000 sales. yeah, i see how that worked.

[ampersand]

Blimey, heaven forbid people should hate the X Factor.

[ampersand]

Again, wrong.

[Kowalski]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...l#ixzz0a1sKjtK9

SIMON COWELL has blasted the campaign to get RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE to the festive top spot - branding its supporters "a hate mob".

He says the Facebook crusade to keep this year's X Factor winner from being the Christmas No1 is akin to bullying.

The campaign urges people to buy Rage's Killing In The Name to thwart JOE McELDERRY's The Climb.

Music mogul Simon is so angry he interrupted his hols in Barbados to ring me yesterday. He raged: "All these musical snobs have ganged up against Joe.

"If you take me out of the equation, you have a teenager with his first single being attacked by a huge hate mob on Facebook. It almost feels like a little kid being bullied. It feels like a spiteful campaign aimed at an 18-year-old who won a talent competition.

"It's David versus Goliath and it's not fair on Joe. It's getting out of hand."

Mild-mannered CHERYL COLE, Joe's mentor on the ITV show, is none to pleased either.

Chezza thundered: "I would be devastated to see Joe lose out. He put his heart and soul into every single week of The X Factor.

"I cannot bear to see him lose to a mean campaign that has nothing to do with his efforts.

"If that song, or should I say campaign, by an American group is our Christmas No1 I'll be gutted for him and our charts."

Joe's single landed in the shops on Wednesday, but the expected sales surge is yet to happen.

Rage's track is still out in front but the gap has closed to 37,000 sales between them, down from 65,000 at the end of Wednesday.

Simon has come to terms with the fact this could be the first time in the last five years when one of his acts misses out on the festive top spot.

He continued: "One part of me says, good for you guys for bringing on some competition. The other part isn't sure about the point they are trying to make.

"I think they've got a shot at making No1.

"The retail numbers are very, very encouraging for us but this Rage record now has a momentum of its own."

Rage frontman ZACK DE LA ROCHA has also waded in to the debate.

He said: "Simon is an interesting character. He seems to have profited greatly off humiliating people on live television and has a unique position of capturing the attention of people on television, but also the airwaves.

"We see this as a necessary break of that control."

The band performed the track on BBC Radio 5 Live yesterday morning.

Sadly, presenter SHELAGH FOGARTY struggled to fade them out in time when they launched into the expletive-ridden finale.

A flustered Fogarty had to tell listeners that the band had promised not to swear.

Oh dear.

Yesterday the campaign was under threat amid claims of bulk buying of large quantities - which is against the rules.

The Official Charts Company, which regulates placings, warned bulk purchasing could mean the track is ineligible for the charts this weekend.

[Kowalski]

where?

[Kowalski]

and heaven forbid people should buy a single that others don't like

both just as 'bad' as each other

i can do them too.

[llcoolphil]

800,000 facebook members, under 200,000 sales. yeah, i see how that worked.

[ampersand]

Well your figures are wrong. But you dont see a campaign that started from nothing, achieved 250,000 sales (Im guesstimating by sunday) and at least number two in the charts without a markweting budget is an achievement? What would have to happen for it to be counted in any way successful?

[ampersand]

In this very thread yesterday were the latest sales figures for both records.