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I think there will always be examples of people underestimating bands that they dont really like. However it goes both ways, I am pretty sure 12 months ago there were blink fans saying arctic monkeys should be second headlining to kings of leon.

I was previously against blink 182 headlining as in my opinion their popularity was waning when they split up and also the split was so short, i dont even know if it counts as a split! When I thought back to bands who have headlined in recent years, in my opinion blinks popularity was in the level below.

However I have now changed my mind, we have been spoiled in recent years by having some of the biggest bands in the world in the festival. However with more festivals and less big bands available, festival organisers have to give different bands a chance. The likes of kasbian and blink 182 are probably next in line and have been given headlining slots in british festivals. These bands cant really compete in size with the likes fo metallica, killers, kings of leon, iron maiden, radiohead, foos etc but are comparable to the likes of razorlight and franz ferdinand. I would however maintain that blink 182 shoudnt get the 2 hour slot as in my opinion that is a slot for a proven festival headliner.

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People on here keep talking about this massive resurgance in pop punk but I dont personally see the evidence of it. This board is very much pop/punk inclined and I wonder if peoples opinions are a little skewed. Its true the likes of paramore haver broken through but also the likes of offspring, fall out boy and panic at the discos popularity has plumetted in recent years. People on here joke about "indie2 bands like razorlight losing popularity, however despite this so called pop punk insurgance I bet there arent many bands of this genre around who will sell more copies of their album than razorlight if they released albums tomoroow.
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People on here keep talking about this massive resurgance in pop punk but I dont personally see the evidence of it. This board is very much pop/punk inclined and I wonder if peoples opinions are a little skewed. Its true the likes of paramore haver broken through but also the likes of offspring, fall out boy and panic at the discos popularity has plumetted in recent years. People on here joke about "indie2 bands like razorlight losing popularity, however despite this so called pop punk insurgance I bet there arent many bands of this genre around who will sell more copies of their album than razorlight if they released albums tomoroow.
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ITT: People who are clearly just ignoring pop-punk's shoot up in the last few months. Paramore are the biggest example obviously, but with acts like Metro Station, All Time Low, You Me At Six clearly doing really well for themselves for new bands, there's no denying the current trend (the quality of these bands, mind, is very debatable).

Talking here about what's probably the most competitive industry around, there's definitely more new pop/punk bands breaking through at the moment, and fewer indie acts, and even if they're "only" selling out academy size venues right now, I guarantee there will be more acts like Paramore touring arenas in the next few years than Kaiser Chiefs, for example.

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I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not - but in case it isn't then I would say that whilst they have done well to sell out a tour of 02 academys (although loads of groups do it) they certainly aren't a youth craze in the same way indie was about 5 years ago. People are saying this pop punk thing is a replacemnt for that, when those groups (Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, Kasier Cheifs, Killers etc) were selling out arenas, having number one albums, headlining festivals etc by album number 2. To put it into perspective, Youmeatsix are playing Student unions, 02 academys and their album and single sales are hardly something to write home about. It's hardly enough to justify putting them at the centre of a pop punk revival.
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ITT: People who are clearly just ignoring pop-punk's shoot up in the last few months. Paramore are the biggest example obviously, but with acts like Metro Station, All Time Low, You Me At Six clearly doing really well for themselves for new bands, there's no denying the current trend (the quality of these bands, mind, is very debatable).

Talking here about what's probably the most competitive industry around, there's definitely more new pop/punk bands breaking through at the moment, and fewer indie acts, and even if they're "only" selling out academy size venues right now, I guarantee there will be more acts like Paramore touring arenas in the next few years than Kaiser Chiefs, for example.

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The thought that paramore and you me at six are marketed at a niche market is ridiculous. They are no more punk than kaiser chiefs or killers. In both cases the record companies see the bands as marketable and capable of making them a load of money.

Im not arguing that a few bands of this genre have broken through recently, but so have many acts in different genres. The thing is I have heard many people on here saying that pop/punk is overtaking indie amongst young people and thats blatantly not true. As far as I can remember there have always been pop/punk bands and I suspect there always will be. I dont think this genre is particulay gaining in popularity, if so fall out boy would have kept their fanbase. I think the fans are just moving from these older bands to younger ones which is what you would expect of a genre of music aimed predominantly at teenagers.

Untill these bands are getting number 1 albums, selling out arena tours and selling albums to those causal fans who buy 5 albums a year then any comparison with indie is rubbish. I would say the gap has narrowed, however this is more down to mainstream music fans not buying as much from this genre. Pop/punk in general did not have mainstream support anyway, so did not have this to lose. The gap is however still huge.

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I wasn't saying they were "proper" punk. I don't think such a thing exists.

But they're still a punk act. Pop punk. It might not be your definition or "proper" but it's still punk on a technicality. You might not think they capture the eccense of what you believe punk is. But they were to play the Lock Up Stage at Reading and have supported and been supported by predominantely punk acts.

Sorry gotta go off topic here: What you on about jackson99? Narrow perspective? Patronising arse. What are you TALKING about?

Back to the point I was arguing their music was punk. Not their lifestyle or attitude and I genueinly believe playing pop punk music (i'll describe it as melodic distorted pop alterarock to keep everyone happy) their audience becomes nicher. There's only so many ways you can market that. You can only get so much exposure if you make alternative or heavy music.

Therefore to thrive and to climb the ladder in that climate is an impressive feat and for acts like Paramore to get so big (rumoured to second headline Reading and had a very well selling arena tour) proves there's a demand.

I guess it depends on what you consider a "big" act. I consider what many people would consider small acts pretty big as just to be able to play a student union sized venue takes a lot of hard work and dedication.

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I wasn't saying they were "proper" punk. I don't think such a thing exists.

But they're still a punk act. Pop punk. It might not be your definition or "proper" but it's still punk on a technicality. You might not think they capture the eccense of what you believe punk is. But they were to play the Lock Up Stage at Reading and have supported and been supported by predominantely punk acts.

Sorry gotta go off topic here: What you on about jackson99? Narrow perspective? Patronising arse. What are you TALKING about?

Back to the point I was arguing their music was punk. Not their lifestyle or attitude and I genueinly believe playing pop punk music (i'll describe it as melodic distorted pop alterarock to keep everyone happy) their audience becomes nicher. There's only so many ways you can market that. You can only get so much exposure if you make alternative or heavy music.

Therefore to thrive and to climb the ladder in that climate is an impressive feat and for acts like Paramore to get so big (rumoured to second headline Reading and had a very well selling arena tour) proves there's a demand.

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I wasn't saying they were "proper" punk. I don't think such a thing exists.

But they're still a punk act. Pop punk. It might not be your definition or "proper" but it's still punk on a technicality. You might not think they capture the eccense of what you believe punk is. But they were to play the Lock Up Stage at Reading and have supported and been supported by predominantely punk acts.

Sorry gotta go off topic here: What you on about jackson99? Narrow perspective? Patronising arse. What are you TALKING about?

Back to the point I was arguing their music was punk. Not their lifestyle or attitude and I genueinly believe playing pop punk music (i'll describe it as melodic distorted pop alterarock to keep everyone happy) their audience becomes nicher. There's only so many ways you can market that. You can only get so much exposure if you make alternative or heavy music.

Therefore to thrive and to climb the ladder in that climate is an impressive feat and for acts like Paramore to get so big (rumoured to second headline Reading and had a very well selling arena tour) proves there's a demand.

I guess it depends on what you consider a "big" act. I consider what many people would consider small acts pretty big as just to be able to play a student union sized venue takes a lot of hard work and dedication.

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ITT: People who are clearly just ignoring pop-punk's shoot up in the last few months. Paramore are the biggest example obviously, but with acts like Metro Station, All Time Low, You Me At Six clearly doing really well for themselves for new bands, there's no denying the current trend (the quality of these bands, mind, is very debatable).

Talking here about what's probably the most competitive industry around, there's definitely more new pop/punk bands breaking through at the moment, and fewer indie acts, and even if they're "only" selling out academy size venues right now, I guarantee there will be more acts like Paramore touring arenas in the next few years than Kaiser Chiefs, for example.

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