At least some people can be bothered...

[oafc0000]

[llcoolphil]

Your just a troll...I caught you arguing against something you was arguing for not long before... Anything to get the argument you want Made me realise your just a troll, a shit one at that

[Pogues Mcgogues]

Surely someone 16-under 18 shouldn't realy be bothered about living off the state because if they had a job they would pay tax and not be able to vote.

No Taxation without Representation eh?

[eFestivals]

I was told at a DWP seminar recently that the amounnt of unclaimed benefits (tax credits, housing benefits etc) far outweighs the amount overpaid (16 billion to 3 billion)

and those amounts pale into insignificance against the amount of (illegal) tax avoidance that's going on, which is reckoned to total around £50Bn a year.

Collecting that tax money - which invariably is not paid by the richest in society - would deal with much of the current deficit. Yet as is always the case with those moronic greedy tories, it's the poorest that are the scum and need tackling, while them and their cronies are given almost free reign to pocket what they should be paying in tax.

And very sadly, it's not only the tories which help the rich avoid tax. Brown has hugely added to the problem over the last decade or so, by hugely reducing the number of tax inspectors, despite it being made clear to him that those inspectors bring in a hell of a lot more money than they cost. Meanwhile, he's increased the number of benefit investigators, who cost more than they save.

[sifi]

and those amounts pale into insignificance against the amount of (illegal) tax avoidance that's going on, which is reckoned to total around £50Bn a year.

[Pogues Mcgogues]

Right - and you get morons like some on this thread getting all irate by the rubbish they are spoon-fed by the tabloids and by reality television series at the expense of the bigger picture.

[sifi]

Your sig - 1988 to 2010 is the years of my existance yet it is also the years of your festival going! Thought that was weird.

Edited August 3, 2010 by sifimaster

[Pogues Mcgogues]

Amazing! That puts you in an exclusive group of around a million people here in the UK!

[oafc0000]

Right - and you get morons like some on this thread getting all irate by the rubbish they are spoon-fed by the tabloids and by reality television series at the expense of the bigger picture.

[oafc0000]

As much as tax dodging is wrong fecking living off spoon fed hands outs with no intention of trying to get off them is more scummy... At least these tax dodgers have frecking got off their arses worked there bollocks off to get where they are...

Totally fecked society

Edited August 3, 2010 by oafc0000

[sifi]

And you get morons like you who won't call them ALL the c**ts that they are... Well done you...

[eFestivals]

As much as tax dodging is wrong fecking living off spoon fed hands outs with no intention of trying to get off them is more scummy... At least these tax dodgers have frecking got off their arses worked there bollocks off to get where they are...

Totally fecked society

Yep, you get to prove what a f**ked up society we have, as shown by your own f**ked up morals.

A thief is thief is a thief is thief. A thief is someone who takes for keeps something to which they're not entitled.

So a benefit cheat or a tax cheat are 100% equal on being thieves - yet one is stealing at a minimal level as set by the levels of benefit, while the other is very likely to be thieving to a much greater extent.

So the crime is identical, but the degree of crime by one is far bigger. That makes the bigger thief the bigger c**t by anyone who is able to view things in a rational and proportional manner.

[sifi]

Presumably Oaf would be happier to have his house robbed as long as the robber in question had enough money in the bank to start with.

[eFestivals]

Presumably Oaf would be happier to have his house robbed as long as the robber in question had enough money in the bank to start with.

Perhaps we could all chip in for a sign to hang outside his house.....?

"If someone is going to burgle my house, I'd rather I was burgled by someone with a job than someone unemployed".

[Cardboard Box City]

Would our tax-lopehole bloke (its all sounding very non-descript and verging on class war to me at the moment) not have contributed more initially and through general wealth-creation than our benefits with no intention of getting a job bloke?

[eFestivals]

Would our tax-lopehole bloke (its all sounding very non-descript and verging on class war to me at the moment) not have contributed more initially and through general wealth-creation than our benefits with no intention of getting a job bloke?

What you say only works if the tax-cheat is irreplaceable in his job. Care to show me a single person that's irreplaceable in their job? There are none.

So the only meaningful comparison that can be made about overall wealth benefit from a person doing that job is between the tax-cheat doing the job and not-a-tax-cheat doing that same job. And of course the non-tax-cheat is creating the same wealth, but it's being (in the eyes of society) distributed properly and so creating the benefit amongst society that society says it should.

[Cardboard Box City]

But he'd also have contributed through various corporate and personal taxes anyway (this is, as I say, very vague and turning in to class war) wouldn't he? Whereas someone on benefits for no reason other than not wanting to work contributes nothing, ever, and plays no part in a greater contribution through corporate taxation - hence the hatred of such people from the general working population.

[sifi]

But he'd also have contributed through various corporate and personal taxes anyway (this is, as I say, very vague and turning in to class war) wouldn't he? Whereas someone on benefits for no reason other than not wanting to work contributes nothing, ever, and plays no part in a greater contribution through corporate taxation - hence the hatred of such people from the general working population.

[eFestivals]

But he'd also have contributed through various corporate and personal taxes anyway (this is, as I say, very vague and turning in to class war) wouldn't he? Whereas someone on benefits for no reason other than not wanting to work contributes nothing, ever, and plays no part in a greater contribution through corporate taxation - hence the hatred of such people from the general working population.

A benefit cheat "takes away" wealth at the level of the benefits they're cheating over.

If a tax cheat is taking a a greater amount of wealth away by their cheating than the benefit cheat, then regardless of the fact that they might be paying some taxes, the wealth-damage onto society is greater than the benefit cheat who contributes nothing.

What you're failing to include in your comparison is that the tax cheat can be replaced in his job by a non-tax cheat. As I've said: no individual anywhere in the world is irreplaceable in their job. If you think they are irreplaceable, that's because you can't intellectually accept your own insignificance to the future of humanity, and then lay that idea onto others.

And absolutely none of this is anything to do with class war. Either someone is contributing (or trying to contribute, in the case of someone genuinely claiming benefits) to society, else they're deliberately f**king the rest of us over.

Absolutely none of this is anything to do with class war. If people at any levels of income are not paying their proper dues, they're deliberately stealing from each of us. As I said above, a thief is a thief is a thief, and they're just as much a scumbag thief if they steal £100 regardless of whether they're wearing chavvy shell suits or the most expensive designer suit.

[Ed209]

As much as tax dodging is wrong fecking living off spoon fed hands outs with no intention of trying to get off them is more scummy... At least these tax dodgers have frecking got off their arses worked there bollocks off to get where they are...

[Rufus Gwertigan]

A benefit cheat "takes away" wealth at the level of the benefits they're cheating over.

If a tax cheat is taking a a greater amount of wealth away by their cheating than the benefit cheat, then regardless of the fact that they might be paying some taxes, the wealth-damage onto society is greater than the benefit cheat who contributes nothing.

What you're failing to include in your comparison is that the tax cheat can be replaced in his job by a non-tax cheat. As I've said: no individual anywhere in the world is irreplaceable in their job. If you think they are irreplaceable, that's because you can't intellectually accept your own insignificance to the future of humanity, and then lay that idea onto others.

And absolutely none of this is anything to do with class war. Either someone is contributing (or trying to contribute, in the case of someone genuinely claiming benefits) to society, else they're deliberately f**king the rest of us over.

Absolutely none of this is anything to do with class war. If people at any levels of income are not paying their proper dues, they're deliberately stealing from each of us. As I said above, a thief is a thief is a thief, and they're just as much a scumbag thief if they steal £100 regardless of whether they're wearing chavvy shell suits or the most expensive designer suit.

[BlackHole2006]

EDIT: Posted in wrong thread.

Edited August 7, 2010 by BlackHole2006