Ex-Nazi, Kiddie Fiddling Apologist's Tour of Britain

[t8yman]

we can investigate faeries in the here and now. you're asking me if they're at the bottom of my garden. i will do this at lunch and report back to put your mind at ease.

we can't properly investigate jesus 100% in the here and now, cos he's not here, is he. we'd need some marty mcfly shit to properly put that to bed.

[eFestivals]

we can investigate faeries in the here and now. you're asking me if they're at the bottom of my garden. i will do this at lunch and report back to put your mind at ease.

we can't properly investigate jesus 100% in the here and now, cos he's not here, is he. we'd need some marty mcfly shit to properly put that to bed.

Jesus is just a bit part FFS.

You can investigate fairies in the here and now, just as you can investigate god in the here and now. And if you do, you find zero for either.

Yet you credit one as at least a possibility while you rule the other out - yet there is no difference with either. They are both simply stories you've been told and nothing further.

[ampersand]

maybe not jesus, but god is everywhere, all the time - so he should be down the bottom of your garden with the faeries at lunchtime, finally we can clear all of this shit up just by you going in your garden.

[ampersand]

Jesus is just a bit part FFS.

You can investigate fairies in the here and now, just as you can investigate god in the here and now. And if you do, you find zero for either.

Yet you credit one as at least a possibility while you rule the other out - yet there is no difference with either. They are both simply stories you've been told and nothing further.

[eFestivals]

jesus christ is a bit part in christianity?

Yep. He was the temporary presence of "god on earth". So very much a bit part.

The Christian religion is not about Jesus (tho it does require a belief that he existed and was god's presence on earth).

[sifi]

jesus christ is a bit part in christianity?

[The Nal]

The Christian religion is not about Jesus (tho it does require a belief that he existed and was god's presence on earth).

Edited September 17, 2010 by The Nal

[Cardboard Box City]

the Madonna

[The Nal]

What's that American slag getting prayed to for?!

[gratedenini]

Firstly, sorry for my Foursome last night...this bloody internet connection!!

Faith. Look, it is a pretty futile arguement between Believers & Non-Believers.

It is an individual thing. I got involved with the church around 1985--got right into it. I`d always been "searching" for something spiritual (still am) and jumped in with both feet.

What I seen then of a lot of people with faith was quite uplifting. They didnt seem to worry about the things i was worrying about at that time, and seemed a lot happier and contented with life. I wanted that peace in my life.

We were proper on the bones of our arse then and the genorosity of the congregation and the love and support they gave was tremendous.

Based on that I always think of religion at a base level as just being kind to ones fellow men.

Very simplistic maybe, but when I read the arguements on here---going into all this "technical" detail about existance and such like... well it doesn`t bother me.

I believe that a person called Jesus did actually live. I dont quite buy the handed-down-over-generations tales of walking on water etc..but I do believe he somehow motivated a lot of people (maybe in a Nelson Mandela way)..and became revered...and became more famous after his death aka Hendrix,Lennon, Van Gogh etc.

Lets face it...over the centuries, The Church has consistently been the most powerful organisation in existance.Why? Cos its always been there--leaders come and go...but the Church has mostly been constant.

Its not quite like that now eh. And its only been perhaps since the end of WW2 that the church has really declined.

What I cant understand though about Religion is when I see atrocities being commited and the perpetrators claim they are doing Gods Will

I always think, God surely doesn`t want that?

Based on that I cant empathise with their cause.

Religion is in your heart...you either believe or you dont.It is simply wrong to call each other for your beliefs.

Tea and biscuits anyone?

Look at the Birds of the air.

They neither sow nor reap,

Yet the Good Lord looks after them.

Who, by worrying

will add a single hour

to their lives.

Matthew

den

Edited September 17, 2010 by gratedenini

[eFestivals]

Yes it is. Its not "just" about Jesus you mean surely?

As I said, it requires a belief that he existed and was god's presence on earth.

But Christianity is not about Jesus. Jesus was merely an earthly presence of god. It's about god.

[The Nal]

As I said, it requires a belief that he existed and was god's presence on earth.

But Christianity is not about Jesus. Jesus was merely an earthly presence of god. It's about god.

[eFestivals]

No. Religion is about God, Christianity, Judaism, Islam all believe in God. Christianity is based on the New Testament, the teachings and message of Jesus (The Gospels), the belief that Jesus died for our sins. Its God in a broader sense yes, but Christianity is a lot more specific. But just as stupid.

Yes, religions are about god. Christianity is about a specific idea of god, as are each of the others.

The idea of god for Christians is one that's based around what Jesus is supposed to have done, but it's still not about Jesus. Jesus *was* god - making it about god, and not Jesus.

You left-footers have it all wrong.

[The Nal]

Yes, religions are about god. Christianity is about a specific idea of god, as are each of the others.

The idea of god for Christians is one that's based around what Jesus is supposed to have done, but it's still not about Jesus. Jesus *was* god - making it about god, and not Jesus.

You left-footers have it all wrong.

[pehaw]

Seriously, what are the chance of catching aids if you choose a partner, marry them and then have sex.

[The Nal]

Does this catholic doctrine also apply to gay men and women....?

[rachbon]

i don't know why some of you are so offended by atheists

if you told me the bogie man was real, but you have no proof either way, am i supposed to believe in it just because you tell me it's real? and if i don't believe it, it's ok for me to say "it's not real."

then why can't i say, as a matter of fact, that god isn't real? why should i have the slightest belief in something that you have no proof for?

[The Nal]

i don't know why some of you are so offended by atheists

if you told me the bogie man was real, but you have no proof either way, am i supposed to believe in it just because you tell me it's real? and if i don't believe it, it's ok for me to say "it's not real."

then why can't i say, as a matter of fact, that god isn't real? why should i have the slightest belief in something that you have no proof for?

[t8yman]

i don't know why some of you are so offended by atheists

if you told me the bogie man was real, but you have no proof either way, am i supposed to believe in it just because you tell me it's real? and if i don't believe it, it's ok for me to say "it's not real."

then why can't i say, as a matter of fact, that god isn't real? why should i have the slightest belief in something that you have no proof for?

[The Nal]

Back to the thread.

Five arrested after a "threat to the Pope". Quite serious by the looks of it.

[eFestivals]

Back to the thread.

Five arrested after a "threat to the Pope". Quite serious by the looks of it.

Arresting him for conspiracy to evade certain laws of this country - which he's certainly guilty of - would be a threat to him.

Bring on the threats!

[ampersand]

Back to the thread.

Five arrested after a "threat to the Pope". Quite serious by the looks of it.

[fraser_k]

To quote someone to twitter

"hoping this pope visit coverage im watching turns out to be the most elaborate ever episode of 'to catch a predator'"

[brighteyes]

I quite like his voice

[minute5072]

I quite like his voice