JSA once the kid hits 7

[ampersand]

care to show me where i said the options i gave were the only options?

The point of me saying it was to demonstrate that situations happen outside of a person's control where that person has no workable option outside of spending money that they don't have - so aren't workable options.

But I guess it was all too confusing for you. Never mind.

[eFestivals]

You can do rice in many ways...

Steamer, microwave and slow cooker... would be three options for rice...

three options that require a method of cooking - options which don't exist for someone with a broken cooker.

In reality though you would probably have to stick to bread, precooked meats, cereal, chesses, crackers, biscuits, and veg & salad...

Bread - a little, cos more expensive than rice (and getting more costly), and less filling.

pre-cooked meats - waaaay too expensive, not on the radar.

cereal - yep, probably in there. But with water, not milk.

cheeses - not a chance.

crackers - perhaps. No butter.

biscuits - you're having a laugh.

veg - yep. The types of veg most people would swerve (turnips, swede, greens/cabbage).

Your reality is waaaaaay off - proving you have no idea.

[eFestivals]

neil makes an arse of it, reader doesn't read what neil didn't write. reader is the stupid one. got you

But you DID read what I didn't write - you added in "only".

And you completely ignored where I better explained the comment you are concentrating on in isolation, so you also ignored what I did write.

My words might not have been perfect, but it was fully your decision to pretend I've said something different to what I actually said.

[ampersand]

three options that require a method of cooking - options which don't exist for someone with a broken cooker.

[eFestivals]

Its scary he claims he can run his house on £10 a week shopping budget yet when his cooker breaks he will apparently starve to death...

Something isn't adding up here

Yes, your intelligence.

At no point did I say the broken cooker affects me in the same way it would effect anyone on the breadline. I made 100% clear that I'm not on the breadline.

You only get to your take by making it up.

Just as you got to your take that this change to JSA won't result in people losing benefits.

Is there anything you don't make up?

[eFestivals]

funny, i didn't think the cooker had to be working for me to use the plugged in microwave.

yes, cos there's no house without a microwave, eh?

[ampersand]

so neil you can afford cereal, but you can't afford 2l of milk for a quid at farmfoods/poundland/asda?

Edited October 26, 2010 by ampersand

[ampersand]

yes, cos there's no house without a microwave, eh?

[jump]

This reminds me of a kid I use to know who lived on a council state, when he was 7ish he Grandparents use to give him a pack lunch of a banana, yogurt, chocolate etc. and probably costs less than £3 maybe once a month and he use to consider it a treat as his family was too poor to have these in his house.

[eFestivals]

so neil you can afford cereal, but you can't afford 2l of milk for a quid at farmfoods/poundland/asda?

If you're living on the minimum, then you're living on the minimum.

Milk costs a quid more than water. If you don't have that quid then you can't have milk.

No wonder that people with half a brain think that benefits can be easily cut, because they think those people have oodles of cash to dip into at any time they please.

Edited October 26, 2010 by eFestivals

[ampersand]

If you're living on the minimum, then you're living on the minimum.

Milk costs a quid more than water. If you don't have that quid then you can't have milk.

[eFestivals]

yet all these houses seem to have broken cookers. if your argument is only going to work for your set list of circumstances, then theres no point.

Oaf raised things going wrong in a house, and that those things couldn't be afforded to be repaired on the income level I said he could live on. I simply gave an example of a similar thing (a broken cooker), and how there's no workable option for someone on the breadline in that sort of circumstance, yet these are the things they have to deal with all the same.

Care to point out where I said "all these houses seem to have broken cookers">

Oh no, I never did. It was just you being a brain-dead moron.

[lost]

when did this thread turn into the monty python 4 yorkshire men sketch?

[eFestivals]

so the minimum can afford cereal but not milk. no wonder theyre on the minimum if they shop with that logic!

costs what, a pound odds for a box of cereal? and 2l of milk costs a quid. think i'd be buying the healthier milk than the cereal. but whatever floats your boat.

You don't understand hunger, do you?

Which fills your belly many times over? 2L of milk, or a box of cereal?

FFS, I'd get more sense from 7 year olds.

Edited October 26, 2010 by eFestivals

[sifi]

when did this thread turn into the monty python 4 yorkshire men sketch?

[ampersand]

Oaf raised things going wrong in a house, and that those things couldn't be afforded to be repaired on the income level I said he could live on. I simply gave an example of a similar thing (a broken cooker), and how there's no workable option for someone on the breadline in that sort of circumstance, yet these are the things they have to deal with all the same.

Care to point out where I said "all these houses seem to have broken cookers">

Oh no, I never did. It was just you being a brain-dead moron.

[eFestivals]

I think Neil is getting the UK confused with the townships of Cape Town...

Nope. It's you confusing poverty in the UK with being comparable to your own lifestyle.

[eFestivals]

care to point out where i said 'all these houses have microwaves'. if you want to argue with me with these bollocks lines, then right back at you. you're on shite form the day!

You said that so0meone with a broken cooker could use their microwave.

I pointed out to you that that's not possible unless they had a microwave.

Unlike you, I don't resort to making it up.

mmm, dry cereal. if i'm looking to fill a hole, i'd go for the cheaper bread option over cereal. why the f**k would you buy cereal without factoring in that you will need milk?

Bread is not cheaper.

[eFestivals]

Now now, its totally plausible

the only thing that's 'plausible' is living on the very limited money someone on benefits has.

You clearly believe that they have money to spare for everything they want, which is why you think it's fair to cut their benefits.

[ampersand]

You said that so0meone with a broken cooker could use their microwave.

I pointed out to you that that's not possible unless they had a microwave.

Unlike you, I don't resort to making it up.

Bread is not cheaper.

[ampersand]

right, so to sum up this thread.

oaf is to ask his employer (or himself) for a 50% paycut because benefits are being cut and someone is being forced to eat dry cereal because their cooker is broken? did i get that right?

[RABun]

Is this still going?!?!? jeeeez

I would like to point out to Sifi that i havent shourted at Oafish once during this topic

Even if he is a twerp still

[eFestivals]

Quickly looking at Asda's website, the cheapest is 47p for a loaf...

The cheapest cereal is 46p...

It seems about the same at full price. Give or take a 1p...

How many times does each fill your belly? The cereal goes further.

But anyway, you're taking things to a ridiculous level. We got here by you saying you couldn't live on £20k, and I showed you how you could.

At no point did I say it's easy or that the consequences of doing so are nice - eating cheaply is not eating the foods that most would prefer to eat. But if eating cheaply is the only option because that's as far as the money will stretch then that's what a person HAS TO do.

The whole point of me demonstrating to you the way that many people have to live was to try and get from you an amount of sympathy for their position - yet all you have is ridicule to go alongside your view that those already doing what is "impossible" in your eyes should have their situation made even more impossible via a cut in benefits which you believe to be fair.

To which I've pointed out how you don't have a clue about what you're saying. Because you don't.

[sifi]

Is this still going?!?!? jeeeez

I would like to point out to Sifi that i havent shourted at Oafish once during this topic

Even if he is a twerp still

[eFestivals]

By plunging myself into total poverty similar to what we find in the townships of Cape Town, with massive financial risks, while working a 40 hour a week job...

Trot on you total kipper

yet lots of people live like that in the UK right now - and you say they should help support you with child benefit on more than double what they have.

I asked you for a credible plan... What I got was a load of bollocks..

No, what you got in answer to you asking for a plan was nothing at all.

I never gave you a plan. I said only "And on the basis of that I don't need to waste time by typing anything further. You have no interest in it."

So as ever, you resort to making it up in the absence of knowing the first thing about it.