greenfairy43 Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 Oh dont get me on about Harper! (he looked like a magician didnt he)... he was on at Rhythmn fest a few years ago... but I was fumin. Look... if i want someones political diatribe put on me--I`ll go to Rallies.. I dont wannna pay good money out on drink and drugs and listen to a 7minute intro to a political ramble. I was going f**kin bee-serk. Its not right. Same as Person Bragg... if you go specifically to see him--fine... but in festival format... I dont like it. The same year--went to see Santana at MCN..same thing..he started babbling on about Bush and Blair..and the audience,lemming -like all went for it..going wild in compliance. Once again.. I went wild..but it was that noisy--i was wasting me time. I think too many musicians push their political views onto audiences. A political song is another matter, but either way...i personally dont want it thrust upon me. den Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Vern Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 excellent documentary charting the history of festivals and the whole youth culture movement. Although the criminal justice bill etc did put a nail in the coffin for pretty much the whole free festival/unorganised mass gatherings, in reality, after watching that documentary I can understand why, as it is the mindless acts of the few that cause the changes for the majority. People turning up and literally doing whatever they wanted, to whoever they wanted and taking whatever they wanted, isn't part of youth culture but part of the "f-you" culture and if the good people that attend these things don't self-police, then somebody has to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyhack Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 Repeated tonight (Dec 19th) BBC4 at 11.45 followed by Radiohead 1997 Glasto set. Both worth catching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timespeedsup Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 Repeated tonight (Dec 19th) BBC4 at 11.45 followed by Radiohead 1997 Glasto set. Both worth catching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcatraz Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) Just finished watching it. I enjoyed it and particularly liked its conclusions. I am a modern festival goer. I honestly don't think I'll ever experience anything like those stand out free festivals or free parties even. But going to Glastonbury is always a bit of a personal escape and I always get annoyed when the older generation try and detract from that. It was great seeing that these old crusties still go to their modern day equivalents and still enjoy them for what they are Edited December 20, 2010 by Alcatraz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul ™ Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 I V+'d it but watching it just now on BBC4, awaiting the legendary 97 Radiohead set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonTom Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Watching it now, quite interesting and very enlightening to me. It has however made me think, would I have actually gone to the free frestivals or even the likes of the first IoW and if I would have enjoyed it like that. People also moan about the rubbish now, IoW was far wose than anything I seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul ™ Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) . Edited December 20, 2010 by Paul ™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 I can't get over how much Roy Harper has changed. Last time I saw him was on a stage made of a horsebox ramp, at a free festival on Wickham Common, Hampshire in 1986/87. Thos were the days! Torpedo Town. I was there. The documentary was better than I was expecting, as it took a different tack from the norm. For example, there was just about no reference to Reading, which was the fest that continued the pay-festivals thing right thru the time of the free festivals. Meanwhile, at 1 hour 7 minutes and 10 seconds into the programme, there's a brief shot of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyhack Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 I've always been happy to pay to go to Glasto. I work at other fests as a volunteer steward but at Glasto I just want to take my 'sensible head' off for a week and chill. I can't see how today you are going to have both 'free' festivals and big names. Performers, quite reasonably, have to earn a living too and that means a payment - even if they do it at a significantly reduced fee for something like Glasto in exchange for the TV publicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexclark Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Quitre an interesting show. It was good watching how festivals have evolved to what we have now. I can understand why people get nostalgic for the way things used to be, but in todays society it just wouldn't work especially with the ammount of health and safety red tape organisers have to go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gratedenini Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Just finished watching it. I enjoyed it and particularly liked its conclusions. I am a modern festival goer. I honestly don't think I'll ever experience anything like those stand out free festivals or free parties even. But going to Glastonbury is always a bit of a personal escape and I always get annoyed when the older generation try and detract from that. It was great seeing that these old crusties still go to their modern day equivalents and still enjoy them for what they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZigster Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 I dont think many people are seriously contemplating there might be "free festivals" again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 I thought it was a well put together programme that illustrated well that festivals simply reflect the society they exist in. I don't think we'll see free festivals again, but I do anticipate free parties will make a noticeable come back as a reaction to government policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 I thought it was a well put together programme that illustrated well that festivals simply reflect the society they exist in. I don't think we'll see free festivals again, but I do anticipate free parties will make a noticeable come back as a reaction to government policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Why's that then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gratedenini Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Because massive cuts in public spending, rises in unemployment and shattered opportunities create disaffection and disaffection breeds 'f**k you' revolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 and who`s gonna pay for all these FREE PARTIES? let me know if theres any going on,cos i could do with a wee swahlie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Because massive cuts in public spending, rises in unemployment and shattered opportunities create disaffection and disaffection breeds 'f**k you' revolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZigster Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 and who`s gonna pay for all these FREE PARTIES? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 They descended into pretty scary places to be at over time - the bit on the programme about fierce dogs was spot on - but whilst your man might have been in it for one reason, there were plenty that weren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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