New John Pilger on telly tonight.

[t8yman]

knowing a lot of people on here enjoy a good doc, the king of the documentary's new film is being shown on ITV and ITVHD tonight at 10:35

http://www.johnpilger.com/

[The Nal]

Great!! Cheers for that. Watched The War on Democracy again last week, love him.

[t8yman]

wheres me +1 then?

Edited December 14, 2010 by t8yman

[diddly-dee]

knowing a lot of people on here enjoy a good doc, the king of the documentary's new film is being shown on ITV and ITVHD tonight at 10:35

http://www.johnpilger.com/

[The Nal]

wheres me +1 then?

[gratedenini]

I'm not a +1 kind of guy, but I'll make an exception since you're such a shameless attention seeker!

[Alcatraz]

War on Democracy came up in my IR lecture today. Watched all of it this evening

[gratedenini]

I`m watching this now. I`m not quite sure what to make of it tbh.

What exactly is the point?

I know that might sound a bit daft.... but I cant really get what he is trying to say.

It certainly meandres and I`ve lost interest...and his once infectious voice is now getting on me wick too.

No doubt some of you young interlectuals will put me right.....

den

[llcoolphil]

I`m watching this now. I`m not quite sure what to make of it tbh.

What exactly is the point?

I know that might sound a bit daft.... but I cant really get what he is trying to say.

It certainly meandres and I`ve lost interest...and his once infectious voice is now getting on me wick too.

No doubt some of you young interlectuals will put me right.....

den

[5co77ie]

Hopefully it'll make a few people more aware of the case for independent journalism, and the number of independent journos that get killed, the fact you should get news from wider sources, and the mentality of soldiers in war.

The figures for civilian casualties as a percentage of those killed in wars were stunning from 10% in WWI to 90% in Iraq.

The footage of the two photographers gettin 'nuked' from a mile away and the soundtrack might have some impact. Forget Help for Heroes we need Care For Civilians.

I was amazed how we had a major thread on here about the fact the war was about oil, yet apparently the BBC had no idea there were no WOMDs. The itv chap was unable to take the truth and the BBC woman answered questions by agreeing and re-asking the question. I felt Palestine was still under focused - but it was only a 2 hour show.

You'll find the truth on the internet it seems - but for how much longer? At least maybe a few will see the importance of Wiki Leaks and other whistle blowing sites.

[t8yman]

hear hear scottie.

Modern journos are just stenographers for the state, which was the underlying message of the programme I understand? I havent seen it yet, because it was on too late for me, but I will be watching it this afternoon. I'm looking forward to it very much.

[rabid]

The figures for civilian casualties as a percentage of those killed in wars were stunning from 10% in WWI to 90% in Iraq.

[5co77ie]

Shows how misleading statistics can be. That is stunning at first glance but WWI and Iraq isn't really comparing like with like.

[rabid]

It's a war compared with a war. How is it misleading the civilian casualties were 1,421,933.

Total US military deaths : 4429

Other Coalition Troops: 318

Total troops = 4747

WWII with the holocaust was only 40%

[llcoolphil]

I was amazed how we had a major thread on here about the fact the war was about oil, yet apparently the BBC had no idea there were no WOMDs. The itv chap was unable to take the truth and the BBC woman answered questions by agreeing and re-asking the question.

[llcoolphil]

Both wars yes but completely different types of warfare. Your own figures there show that there were relatively few troops killed in Iraq compared to the wholesale slaughter at the likes of the Somme so as a percentage the number of civilian deaths is going to be fairly low.

[rabid]

That's a fair point actually and reflects the changing nature of warfare. In saying that, both the proportion and absolute number of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan stand as shocking figures without the need for comparison and explain huge amounts about why muslims around the world might be radicalised as a direct result of these wars

[The Nal]

Great doc last night from Pilger, again. Finally holding the journos to some responsibility. Fox News "cartoon journalism".

How`d yer work that out??? Yer a +1-1 prositute you are!

That affair you had a few weeks back... behind me back... implied +1s sneaky -1s.

Nalbandian the Prositute... thats you that is.

den

[t8yman]

I cant help but feel that the public appear in some part to be wising up, and not taking news journos at face value, it gives me a warm feeling that maybe the masses are in the early stages of revolt. and then I see the people who know everything about the back pages and nothing about the front pages and I cry a little inside.

if there were more pilgers and assanges in this world, it would be a far far better place.

[The Nal]

I cant help but feel that the public appear in some part to be wising up, and not taking news journos at face value, it gives me a warm feeling that maybe the masses are in the early stages of revolt. and then I see the people who know everything about the back pages and nothing about the front pages and I cry a little inside.

if there were more pilgers and assanges in this world, it would be a far far better place.

[5co77ie]

Both wars yes but completely different types of warfare. Your own figures there show that there were relatively few troops killed in Iraq compared to the wholesale slaughter at the likes of the Somme so as a percentage the number of civilian deaths is going to be fairly low.

[llcoolphil]

I cant help but feel that the public appear in some part to be wising up, and not taking news journos at face value, it gives me a warm feeling that maybe the masses are in the early stages of revolt. and then I see the people who know everything about the back pages and nothing about the front pages and I cry a little inside.

if there were more pilgers and assanges in this world, it would be a far far better place.

[gratedenini]

Great doc last night from Pilger, again. Finally holding the journos to some responsibility. Fox News "cartoon journalism".

You haven't really done much for me recently Den to be honest.

[5co77ie]

I had a niggling feeling throughout last night's programme that the 'wrong' people were watching it

[eFestivals]

I`m not wholly sure of that you know. Is there ever a case for too much information?

I`m not saying last nights offering was such...but I`m not convinced that all this Wikileak stuff is a massive benefit to the general public tbh.

Being too open is not always the best course (as in our everyday lives it isn`t).

Maybe its cos I dont care as much as i used to perhaps?

The World has became a much smaller place in the space of 30-40yrs and all in all... I question the benefit in the way things seem to be going overall.

Some major shit might roll down via this sort of thing.

The Internet must the the biggest factor of change in the World ever!

(apart from the diappearance of Oafish of course!)

den

will he be back for his Christmas address?

did you know that the workings of the British Parliament used to be illegal to report?

The law existed because the MPs of that time (the toffs) felt that the people wouldn't be able to understand the issues or their response to them.

Much as with wikileaks, some people took it upon themselves to report the goings on of Parliament, and Parliament soon discovered that the world didn't end as a result. Eventually, reporting was made legal.

There's not much different with wikileaks. The info it's releasing isn't world-shattering, and in most cases it's merely confirming the details of what we all much presumed anyway.

But in both cases it's information about what our elected 'leaders' are doing on our behalf. As it's being done on our behalf, then surely we have a right to know?