Ed209 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I only saw the advert which had the tag-line "Can the NHS save this man's life?". "Should the NHS save this man's life?" would have been a more interesting show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brighteyes Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 It's very easy to judge morbidly obese people, so I do. Fat Families is one of my favourite TV shows at the moment! My work colleague, who was very very obese, needed an operation on a stomach ulcer, but couldn't get it on the NHS due to letting himself get so fat. So he had to pay to get it done privately. He didn't bare any grudge against the NHS (who we work for), as he knew it was his fault he was such a chubster. Now he's lost 8 stone, he's still a chubster but hopefully won't die of chubby for a good few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Exactly! Markeee do you have any idea how addiction or compulsive behaviours work? and you defence of "just saying is all" makes you a f**kwit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 It's to do with compulsive behaviour, not greed. Do you think other addicts are greedy too? People with eating disorders don't have a healthy relationship with food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jump Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just curious but how do these shows work, will he get paid for being on it and did he go to the channel and say "do a show about me"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just curious but how do these shows work, will he get paid for being on it and did he go to the channel and say "do a show about me"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachbon Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 if someone weighs 20 stone, maybe i would say they're greedy. but to get to 70 stone, i don't think greed even comes into it. there must be other mental issues there which trigger an addiction to food. it baffles me how anyone manages to get to that size, but it's a serious problem and maybe a food addiction is no different to alcohol, drugs or cigarettes. all of those addictions can make a person require treatment from the NHS. it's not just fat people they're spending money on. and if this guy worked before he became too fat to work, then he'll have paid tax so why shouldn't he get to use the service he's paid for? people should still be treated on the NHS even if the illness is self inflicted. there are people who definitely don't recieve enough from the NHS when it appears some people get too much. my dad doesn't get an MS drug that could really help him, because it isn't available on the NHS. they also won't pay for any home care because he's not a pensioner. obviously i think this is really unfair, but i still wouldn't want to take treatment away from other people who need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 if someone weighs 20 stone, maybe i would say they're greedy. but to get to 70 stone, i don't think greed even comes into it. there must be other mental issues there which trigger an addiction to food. it baffles me how anyone manages to get to that size, but it's a serious problem and maybe a food addiction is no different to alcohol, drugs or cigarettes. all of those addictions can make a person require treatment from the NHS. it's not just fat people they're spending money on. and if this guy worked before he became too fat to work, then he'll have paid tax so why shouldn't he get to use the service he's paid for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 there are people who definitely don't recieve enough from the NHS when it appears some people get too much. my dad doesn't get an MS drug that could really help him, because it isn't available on the NHS. they also won't pay for any home care because he's not a pensioner. obviously i think this is really unfair, but i still wouldn't want to take treatment away from other people who need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Surely when someone gets to, say, 45 stone, a family member whos clearly feeding this bloke should step in with a salad in their hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachbon Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Surely when someone gets to, say, 45 stone, a family member whos clearly feeding this bloke should step in with a salad in their hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachbon Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) You have to compare like with like too. Shows like that will get people up in arms because it's cost x amount to look after them when the likes of your dad doesn't get the drugs that could help, but if they gave them to your dad then how many others would they need to give them to? Edited January 6, 2011 by _rachelbon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonTom Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 It's to do with compulsive behaviour, not greed. Do you think other addicts are greedy too? People with eating disorders don't have a healthy relationship with food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachbon Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 there has to be point where you think I need help within that size? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jump Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 aye, when they're too fat to stand up and it's obviously the family making them the food, i find that a bit ridiculous. they must just give in too easily because they don't want to see the person being upset when they don't get the food they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jump Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I think its essentially greed, surely any addiction starts off as wanting more therefore greed? However you swing it, at some point someone has to say enough is enough, at certain weigh how was he paying for all this food cos I would imagine there was very few jobs he could do before he got to 70 stone. His just lazy and greedy. Sure we can blame it on everything else, but it is down to him, there has to be point where you think I need help within that size? When you stop being able to do other things that bring you enjoyment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonTom Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 i didn't watch the show, but since he got surgery, surely he did reach that point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachbon Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 At 70 stone? .....Surely you would think to yourself I need help at say the point you stop being able to fit through doors and gates to a park... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jump Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 he did realise he needed help eventually though, i don't see why it matters that it was at 70 stone. it's easy to say that he should have realised it at 30 or 40 stone, i personally find it ridiculous that anyone would let themselves get to that sort of weight, but if 70 stone is the point where he realised he needed help, at least he got to that point before it killed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 wasn't it just the papers that reported 70 stone? when he was weighed, they said he was 56 stone. not that it matters like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) I think its essentially greed, surely any addiction starts off as wanting more therefore greed? However you swing it, at some point someone has to say enough is enough, at certain weigh how was he paying for all this food cos I would imagine there was very few jobs he could do before he got to 70 stone. His just lazy and greedy. Sure we can blame it on everything else, but it is down to him, there has to be point where you think I need help within that size? When you stop being able to do other things that bring you enjoyment? Edited January 6, 2011 by feral chile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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markeee Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 that's what i said a few posts back. the guy is a vegetable. some clown is cooking this guy steak and chips at a monstrous portion. they're more to blame than him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 That's exactly what I always tihnk - his mum was his carer until she died, with him being 56stone in 2002, then losing 20 stone through surgery it said, but then puts it back ion and more - shouldn;t his mum as his carer have been helping him to put more weight on she must have been giving him even more food than before!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) There's just as much psychology behind feeding as there is behind eating. Edited January 7, 2011 by feral chile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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