ampersand Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The problem is eating is an addiction, the fatty foods releases endorphins which makes him feel happy which wouldn't happen eating low carb/fat food but that's the chemical/biological side and the mental side has been said dozens of times in this thread already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 if it was really that easy to just stop eating so much, then no one would ever be overweight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABun Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The problem is eating is an addiction, the fatty foods releases endorphins which makes him feel happy which wouldn't happen eating low carb/fat food but that's the chemical/biological side and the mental side has been said dozens of times in this thread already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jump Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) the main thing here for me is responsibility. i'm starting to get a wee bit of a belly. i know that is my fault, and i know the only way i can change that is to exercise and/or change my diet. but i'm choosing not to. and i'm accepting 100% blame for this. this cretin hasn't done this and people on here are trying to tell me that it's not his fault that he got to this state. and he's going as far as blaming the very people who have helped him shift a lot of his weight. Edited January 7, 2011 by jump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'm living proof this week My skin is bad after christmas and its usually because my diet has been bad, which it has. Living at my brothers for a week where it is meat and potato central. So i've been eating loads of vegetables and some rice, and fish and trying not to hit too many carbs i.e. bread etc. Yesterday it was a nightmare. I had a gyoza soup and a vege salad for lunch and though i was stuffed, i still wanted something to eat all day and it only occurred to me later on that my body was desperate for bread or pasta or something bad! lol I appeased it with a subway later on. But i sort of know why that urge to eat is so strong. Someone also said something to me the other day which rang true, it only takes seconds to make your stomach expand but can take weeks to train it to accept less food again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saratink Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 if it was really that easy to just stop eating so much, then no one would ever be overweight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) the main thing here for me is responsibility. i'm starting to get a wee bit of a belly. i know that is my fault, and i know the only way i can change that is to exercise and/or change my diet. but i'm choosing not to. and i'm accepting 100% blame for this. this cretin hasn't done this and people on here are trying to tell me that it's not his fault that he got to this state. and he's going as far as blaming the very people who have helped him shift a lot of his weight. Edited January 7, 2011 by feral chile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachbon Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 i know, cause i'm a chubster myself. But someone this size is ridiculous. He's not slightly overweight/obease he's ridiculously obease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 But what if you constantly craved food, and could think of nothing else? I think you're totally underestimating the power of compulsions, particularly ones that feel natural - like your body constantly trying to satisfy a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saratink Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 yes, he is ridiculously obese. because he has an addiction to food which i imagine is just as powerful as any other addiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saratink Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 all this talk has made me quite hungry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 as i said in my summary, he's weak. i crave food. there's a tin of roses at my house. i could easily eat them all in one night. but i know that would be ridiculous so i pace myself. and i'm also feeling quite peckish just now. a natural need. am i running to greggs for a pie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABun Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 all this talk has made me quite hungry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saratink Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Maybe he just likes food. Maybe theres nothing wrong with him, and he wants to eat and eat and eat. (which i would do if i was so scared of becoming depressed and fat) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jump Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) He should be helped for it. But he shouldn't be allowed to sue the NHS. Thats like someone sueing AA because they didn't help them enough. He can't be expected to just sit on his arse and wait for help to go to him, he should go out and ask for help and if he's serious about beating his addiction, then he should work hard for it, and go through the pain of having to give up an addiction, like people addicted to alcohol and drugs do. Edited January 7, 2011 by jump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saratink Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 HIS FRIDAY ORDER AT AN IPSWICH FISH AND CHIP SHOP Four large cod Four battered sausages Six large portions of chips Two pies Mushy peas and curry sauce All washed down with bottles of Coke Thats what i found on dailymail website. thats enough food to feed 8-10 people!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjamma Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Didn't realise he was from Ipswich. Might try and find him and talk to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 What he is saying is the NHS sent him to see a dietician instead of eating disorder specialist so they didn't provide the right kind of help after he sought it so they made it worse by telling him to eat an apple instead of a kebab and not focusing in on the reason why he eats in the 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jump Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 That's exactly it. Often the psychological aspects get overlooked - I'm using psychological in a very broad sense here, to include all kinds of mental disorders including brain disorders - problems with the hypothalamus (which regulates appetite) as well as emotional and behavioural issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I still don't think it would of made a difference, from what I know of him he seems too content with his life. If he did loose all the weight and looked like a normal person right now what would he do? Unless he has a motivation it won't do any good giving him surgery after surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I still don't think it would of made a difference, from what I know of him he seems too content with his life. If he did loose all the weight and looked like a normal person right now what would he do? Unless he has a motivation it won't do any good giving him surgery after surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral chile Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) Possible genetic basis for obesity Scientists in Aberdeen have found that people who carry a variation of a gene linked to increased obesity eat more food than those without it. They studied 150 people in the north-east of Scotland, aged 21 to 60, and monitored their food intake over seven days. They also took blood samples and other measurements of physical fitness and calculated the amount of energy burned while they were resting. The results showed that people with the variant gene ate between 120 and 290 calories per day more than those who did not have the "at risk" variant. The link between obesity and the gene was discovered last year by another group of UK scientists. Subsequent studies in mice have shown that the gene is found in areas of the brain that are associated with the regulation of food intake. "We have found the first hard evidence linking the 'at risk' variant of the gene with increased food intake in humans," said Prof John Speakman, director of the Institute of Biological and Environmental Sciences at the University of Aberdeen. "Our data clearly suggests that people with this variant of the FTO gene may become fatter because they are driven to consume more food. "Because this over consumption may be driven by their genes, it may be far harder for such people to control their intake than people who do not carry 'at risk' variants of food intake control genes. Greater consumption of food does not mean that people are being greedy." Edited January 7, 2011 by feral chile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexclark Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 as i said in my summary, he's weak. i crave food. there's a tin of roses at my house. i could easily eat them all in one night. but i know that would be ridiculous so i pace myself. and i'm also feeling quite peckish just now. a natural need. am i running to greggs for a pie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Thats like me saying that I have beer and vodka in my kitchen, I wouldn't mind a beer but I have the will power to say no and wait where as an alcoholic would go and drink it all. It's easy for us to say that we can say no, why can't someone else not but that's the thing with addiction, you can't help but want more. I realise that food is a basic need where alcohol isn't but I believe my point still stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 until you (or I) ever get into a vaguley similar predicament, we probably won't know what it's like... for now, I feel lucky that I don't understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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