Birds and fish dying in their 1000s in America

[rabid]

Just realised what you meant..about the Muse album HAARP!

Its interesting that latest reports say the birds don't seem to have been poisoned but that they suffered a trauma whilst in the air..its very strange.

[angelofharlem]

Well that ties in with the hailstone explanation, I don't see how trauma could be linked to HAARP though.

[ampersand]

Yeah the same day they cancelled Heroes.

[rabid]

Not sure, but some people have said they could be responsible for weather manipulation, death rays, secret experiments etc..

[jump]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/06/Fireworks-blamed-for-Ark-blackbird-deaths/UPI-36031294342397/

Apparently the ones in the US are due to fireworks.

Yeah the same day they cancelled Heroes.

[5co77ie]

but you can't just shout HAARP every time something odd happens in the air.

[rabid]

but you san shout it stays sharp to the bottom of the glass

[nightcrawler13]

Who said "puritan"? Not me. I said redneck, and there's nothing liberal about rednecks.

At no point did I say every inhabitant of the south is a redneck. But if you want to know what proportion is, the answer across all the southern states is 66%+.

[angelofharlem]

If it was just fireworks, this sort of thing would happen every New Years Eve. I don't believe it was just hail or thunder either..again if it was, we would be hearing of this happening before. Also, it doesn't explain the hundreds of birds falling from the sky over the past few days all over the world, or the thousands of fish that died. There is definitely something out of the ordinary about this and I guess we will never know the real cause.

[rabid]

If it was just fireworks, this sort of thing would happen every New Years Eve. I don't believe it was just hail or thunder either..again if it was, we would be hearing of this happening before. Also, it doesn't explain the hundreds of birds falling from the sky over the past few days all over the world, or the thousands of fish that died. There is definitely something out of the ordinary about this and I guess we will never know the real cause.

[eFestivals]

As I said at the start, those aren't all of the USA's red necks. They are the values of Southern Baptists, not red necks. Many rednecks, most rednecks even, have liberal values.

Even if we work from your wrong idea of who rednecks are, you're still utterly wrong.

66% of the population of the southern states are - as proven by countless surveys - anything but liberal. That 66% hold those abhorrent values I've already stated.

And it's naff all to do with poverty. The wealth of the southern states has increased quite dramatically in the last 50 years to get much closer to the USA average, while the population of those states has got more illiberal and less liberal.

Complete rubbish. You're focusing on a vast minority of people descended from European settlers, which is not the dominant culture at all.

Oh really?

But it isn't true. From the outrageous definition you've given, he's tracing an ideology of pre-enlightenment to a group of elites who are exploiting poverty, hardship and extremism and are in the vast minority in relation to red neck culture.

factually incorrect.

I conceed that this culture exists, but it is most definitely in the minority in the southern states.

factually incorrect.

More importantly, it is an aspect of red neck culture the mechanics of which can be seen in a great deal of the post colonies of the world.

laughably incorrect.

The nearest anywhere else gets is Latin America. Yet they're Catholic, with an internationalist view completely rejected by rednecks.

You're using a very small example of those descended from the European working class settlers in the southern states as examples of red neck culture.

Why not just state the truth? That you don't know what the f**k you're talking about.

[eFestivals]

that's bullshit you tit

i got halfway through a big explanation of the places in the deep south i lived and what a redneck really is, but realised halfway who i was actually about to start arguing with and realised it's pointless

I'm more than happy for you to disagree with me about what a redneck might be. That was never my point anyway.

The fact remains that 66% of the population of the southern states are anything but liberal, and that proportion is growing.

[RABun]

From what i have experienced most people in the southern states of america would class themselves as Rednecks, as opposed to Yanks, Texans in particular hate being called yanks and are proud to be called Rednecks as a nationality rather than an ideology.

Its true that there are a higher proportion of conservatives in those states than in the more liberal east coast. However there are many people who call themselves rednecks but do not subscribe to those ideologies you described Neil. My sister in law being one of them.

What you describe above is more likely to be branded a Hick than a Redneck.

Also you have not mentioned the Polish as well as german, dutch etc. They also have had an influence on the south.

[eFestivals]

Also you have not mentioned the Polish as well as german, dutch etc. They also have had an influence on the south.

The Poles are very largely Catholic. The culture of the southern states - no matter where people originated from - is utterly dominated by a internally-created religious attitude that rejects the internationalism present within Catholicism, and which came about due to a single church created in each newly-created town - in almost all cases one based on pre-enlightenment protestant values, which has been central in the development of each community. That single church was the centre of each community's social life and schooling and as a result just about everyone, no matter where they originated from, was a member. Because of there being such a strongly bonded community around a church, the values of them have dominated and expanded, helped by the migration northwards of the former slaves (only recently reversed with the strengthening economies of those southern states).

That's an extremely brief version of the cultural history and development, but one which is essentially accurate (while being a generalisation, but a generalisation of the majority).

[angelofharlem]

That's the way the media works though. One story gets picked up and becomes high profile and all the other stories that wouldn't have normally made it past the inside pages of the local rag suddenly become news worthy.

I'm not saying that hail and thunder is definitely the explanation but that's far more believable than other theories being put forward. Which is your favourite theory and why?

Edited January 7, 2011 by angelofharlem

[RABun]

On the subject of fish turning up in strange places....

in the building we're currently constructing there is going to be an enormous aquarium - largets domestic type in europe or something. Anyway its been filled up for testing after construction.

One of our managers came in after christmas and found a massive great carp in it. one of our subcontractors has a sense of humour at least.

We are now keeping it fed and deciding what to do with it.

[dakyras]

This forum has shit debates.

[The Nal]

We are now keeping it fed and deciding what to do with it.

[eFestivals]

This forum has shit debates.

It can only ever be as good as the contributions, and if that's the best you're able to contribute it's no wonder.

[Ed209]

From what i have experienced most people in the southern states of america would class themselves as Rednecks, as opposed to Yanks, Texans in particular hate being called yanks and are proud to be called Rednecks as a nationality rather than an ideology.

Its true that there are a higher proportion of conservatives in those states than in the more liberal east coast. However there are many people who call themselves rednecks but do not subscribe to those ideologies you described Neil. My sister in law being one of them.

What you describe above is more likely to be branded a Hick than a Redneck.

Also you have not mentioned the Polish as well as german, dutch etc. They also have had an influence on the south.

[RABun]

There's a chance I might be moving to Texas in a few months to live for a couple of years. I can't wait to get fully involved in southern states redneck culture. Going to be a lot of fun I reckon

[worm]

It can only ever be as good as the contributions, and if that's the best you're able to contribute it's no wonder.

[Ed209]

Where in texas are you going?

My sister in law tells me about all sorts of things they get up to.

I went for two weeks and it was fabulous but i have to admit after 2 weeks i was seriously craving broccoli. If you're living there it will be easier to eat healthily. My brother when he lived there got very immersed in the culture. Particularly around NASCAR lol

Why does texas not fall into the ocean?

Because Oklahoma Sucks

[worm]

Its the things like NASCAR, Rodeos, honkin tonkin, and all that stuff that i reckon I could really enjoy for a couple of years, plus also a season ticket to the Dallas Cowboys would be a must (but of course you can do NFL anywhere)

[Ed209]

Hopefully to support whoever's playing them that week? (I hate the Cowboys!)