where did it happen?

[Guest]

but where..??

if space and time and everything else didn't exist

starting to have my doubts about the big bang theory... is it like god, where everyone just assumes it's true until there's reasonable reason to think otherwise..?

[The Nal]

Was thinking about this last night after reading this.

They’re discovering more and more universe at a weekly rate now with these new super telescopes.

"The clusters contain up to a hundred galaxies, and each galaxy has a billion stars"

[jump]

Maybe the big bang theory is the answer to how instead of why in the case of God or maybe the it's a constant loop or maybe this universe is in another universe but personally I don't care, God or science doubt I'd anything differently in the day to day and don't want to waste time speculating on something I know I wouldn't be able to figure out.

[saratink]

We'll soon find out when we're dead. if we just die and do nothing, then i suppose we'll never know, whilst if we go to heaven then we'll know!!

[jump]

We'll soon find out when we're dead. if we just die and do nothing, then i suppose we'll never know, whilst if we go to heaven then we'll know!!

Edited January 12, 2011 by jump

[saratink]

What if you get reincarnated? In anycase if there is an after life I'd rather go to Valhalla than Heaven, it's a giant bear hall.

[The Nal]

I'm ruling out god....

...most of the time

[eFestivals]

starting to have my doubts about the big bang theory... is it like god, where everyone just assumes it's true until there's reasonable reason to think otherwise..?

Why doubts about the big bang? There's little reason to doubt it, tho of course - just as with any god theory - it doesn't address where god/pre-big bang came from.

Who cares that much anyway? Both god and the big bang are an irrelevance to how we live our lives. Just as the universe 'just is', so are we.

[eFestivals]

for some reason I care... well, I'm curious

we're all curious. We want to believe threrte's some deeper meaning to our existence.

But there isn't. We're just here, and nothing more - no different to any ant, snail, or any other living thing. In the scheme of things you and I are no more relevant than any ant or snail.

[Katster]

I have about as much belief in the big bang theory as I do in god.

It baffles my mind every time I think about how the world began, and the thought of what might happen when I die baffles me even further.

[Katster]

we're all curious. We want to believe threrte's some deeper meaning to our existence.

But there isn't. We're just here, and nothing more - no different to any ant, snail, or any other living thing. In the scheme of things you and I are no more relevant than any ant or snail.

[eFestivals]

Who's to say ants and snails don't have a deeper meaning to their existence? You don't know for sure that there isn't.

Well, there's zilch to suggest that they have any deeper meaning just as there is for us humans.

But it's quite possible that, just as we humans do, ants and snails might consider themselves to each be somehow special on nothing more than a misguided sense of their own importance.

[Katster]

Well, there's zilch to suggest that they have any deeper meaning just as there is for us humans.

But it's quite possible that, just as we humans do, ants and snails might consider themselves to each be somehow special on nothing more than a misguided sense of their own importance.

[dakyras]

I can't remember what program it was, but there was a really interesting theory brought up:

The universe has always been there. There was no big bang. But what happens is, what we thought was a tiny speck that created the Big Bang, and the universe, was actually already the size of a universe, which then rapidly expanded. Imagine a marble that suddenly becomes 100000000x its original size; then zoom out so that from your perspective, it's the size of a marble, then repeat.

Mind boggling.

[rabid]

Why doubts about the big bang? There's little reason to doubt it, tho of course - just as with any god theory - it doesn't address where god/pre-big bang came from.

Who cares that much anyway? Both god and the big bang are an irrelevance to how we live our lives. Just as the universe 'just is', so are we.

[eFestivals]

Discovering the science behind the big bang could have a profound influence on how we live our lives.

Perhaps. But it still won't change the meaningless of humanity's existence.

[eFestivals]

so why is the universe and everything in it here?

who knows?

But one thing you can be sure about - as can everyone else - is that it's not here to give *you* (or any other individual on that individual basis) a place to exist.

The existence of each individual within it is just one of those things that has come about with no particular purpose behind it, no different to whether a particular flower happens to bloom in your garden or not, etc, etc, etc.

It 'just is', it's something that has come about for no particular reason: there is no grand micromanaged plan, as proven by the fact that you can chose to destroy that flower in your garden via your free will.

[eFestivals]

I'm baffled by anyone's certainty of anything.

You could be right, and I live my life close to that being the case... but I'd guess the biggest certainty going, is that we know next to nothing

I've just laid out indisputable proof that there's nothing being micromanaged, unless you're of the opinion that none of us has free will and we're in fact automations of some sort with no autonomy.

So there's a certainty that you are able to work from.

[eFestivals]

what... the fact that I can pick a flower?

Yep. If you have free-will and pick that flower, you will have destroyed any micro-management of the planet that might have been happening, thus proving that it's not being micro-managed - at least, not being micro-managed successfully.

[brighteyes]

I'm about to read Velikovsky's World's In Collision, which apparently has some fascinating and controversial ideas on the origins of Earth. So I'll be back with his ideas, passed off as my own, in a week or so.

[rabid]

Perhaps. But it still won't change the meaningless of humanity's existence.

[gratedenini]

Discovering the science behind the big bang could have a profound influence on how we live our lives.

[eFestivals]

Ah but you forgot the old 'lord moves in mysterious ways' get out clause.

But if that applies there cannot be free will.

[dakyras]

Yep. If you have free-will and pick that flower, you will have destroyed any micro-management of the planet that might have been happening, thus proving that it's not being micro-managed - at least, not being micro-managed successfully.

Edited January 12, 2011 by dakyras

[feral chile]

But if that applies there cannot be free will.