Marilyn Manson

[Tigerdragon]

Manson isn't emo, really, and I can see Manson recovering. His next album really is where he hinges.

Emo means nothing. It is a rubbish reason to use against bands. If your referring to their image, then thats a rediculous comment to make about a band, especially when the scene had so much popularity. If you mean it as an insult on genre then thats equally rediculous; you cant complain about the genre of bands surely? Their size, perhaps, but it is on par with me calling the Strokes and Pulp too 'indie'. Merely meaningless without reference to their prestige and size. MCR, of corse, don't necessarily deserve it, but thats not because they're 'emo'.

Anyway, I know plenty of people who casually like 30stm. While I think second is too high, they'd be a decent third booking. I don't like them, but I realise they're popular.

As for live performance, I've also heard good things about MCR, while I would avoid them like the plague I don't think you've made a fair criticism. 30stm, perhaps over theatrical, have had many good reviews. In my experience there's alot more positive feedback about them than negative, especially within their quite extensive fanbase.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

does that nothing term emo really exist anymore?

[Tigerdragon]

I always thought that word was a code used by online paedophiles to find dodgy pornography on 'chan' forums. Any time I ever typed it into Google, I found strange looking children standing in awkward poses with their cameras usually focused on their wide variety of different hair styles... and fake photos of Hayley Williams being banged by several black men.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Haha. Disturbing.

[rexclark]

and fake photos of Hayley Williams being banged by several black men.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

They're fake?

[Leyser]

Uh huh.

I did them. Hard

[beau1]

Not to be contrary but what's generally considered to be the 'Classic' Cure line up is the phase between around 1985 and 1989, best seen on the 'Orange' video - Robert Smith, Simon Gallup, Porl Thompson, Boris Williams and Lol Tolhurst.

Edited March 8, 2011 by beau1

[Chr1s]

I just want to say that at Leeds 2001 Marilyn Manson was absolutely the highlight of a day that was headlined by Eminem (with D12) and also included S.O.A.D, QotSA & The Cult. Although it was the classic Manson line up from the Guns, God & Government tour, I hadn't even taken much notice of Marilyn Manson before that day to be honest but went out and bought Mechanical Animals and Holywood on the back of that performance. Of course that doesn't mean they're not crap now, but yeah damn they were good that day

[metallimuse]

I just want to say that at Leeds 2001 Marilyn Manson was absolutely the highlight of a day that was headlined by Eminem (with D12) and also included S.O.A.D, QotSA & The Cult. Although it was the classic Manson line up from the Guns, God & Government tour, I hadn't even taken much notice of Marilyn Manson before that day to be honest but went out and bought Mechanical Animals and Holywood on the back of that performance. Of course that doesn't mean they're not crap now, but yeah damn they were good that day

[Englishdragon]

his set in 05 was one of the strangest things ive seen

Drunk, not feeling brilliant after a dodgy burger earlier and a man walks on stage 10 foot tall in weird stilts with a stage show to match just messes with your head.

Id like to see him again tbh but has the act changed now he has gone more mainstream.

[metallimuse]

He's gone even more mainstream?I gave up on him around the time he covered 'Tainted Love',2003 was it?

The band had so much potential and were the biggest band around other than Korn back in the day but Columbine ruined his career despite 'Holywood' being a decent comeback.

[Englishdragon]

He's gone even more mainstream?I gave up on him around the time he covered 'Tainted Love',2003 was it?

The band had so much potential and were the biggest band around other than Korn back in the day but Columbine ruined his career despite 'Holywood' being a decent comeback.

[metallimuse]

Well I meant his set. While he was starting the covers in 2005 the Set and stage show was back to basics. I imagine hes nothing like that nowadays

[Vacant0]

He's gone even more mainstream?I gave up on him around the time he covered 'Tainted Love',2003 was it?

The band had so much potential and were the biggest band around other than Korn back in the day but Columbine ruined his career despite 'Holywood' being a decent comeback.

[metallimuse]

'decent comeback'?! Holywood was a brilliant album.

[Vacant0]

Had some strong songs but as a whole not as good as the other two from the trilogy.

[metallimuse]

The album itself was a good come back but his career was dead at that point considering the tradjectory he was on before columbine.

Before his name was dragged through that he was gaining momentum,gathering lots of exposure in mainstream markets all while being edgy and different and offer intelligent things to say.I truely believe he could of gone on and become a festival headliner calibre of artist but after Columbine he was ruined and he ended up turning into a characture of what he once was.OTT for theatrics rather than having meaning and being smart.He just wasnt the same.

[Vieuphoria]

Holy Wood is by far his best album (their if you want to be specific or whatever).

If anything I think Columbine made him bigger? Surely? he reached his commercial peak with both Holy Wood and Golden Age. But once the time came for the best of he just became so irrelivent. What else was there left to do? he became obsessed with art, absinth, himself, and drugs. He bame incredibly self indulgent, and slowly became a parody of himself. His last album was just dire, and just highlights the fact that he is lost. He has lost everything that made him relivant insociety, lost any creativity which allowed him to be different each album he did, and lost in himself as a performer. He needs to reinvent himself or just give it up. He needs to decide whether to be an artist, a novelty act, or the controversial superstar he used to be. Because it's not working having a mix of all 3 atm.

[metallimuse]

Holy Wood is by far his best album (their if you want to be specific or whatever).

If anything I think Columbine made him bigger? Surely? he reached his commercial peak with both Holy Wood and Golden Age. But once the time came for the best of he just became so irrelivent. What else was there left to do? he became obsessed with art, absinth, himself, and drugs. He bame incredibly self indulgent, and slowly became a parody of himself. His last album was just dire, and just highlights the fact that he is lost. He has lost everything that made him relivant insociety, lost any creativity which allowed him to be different each album he did, and lost in himself as a performer. He needs to reinvent himself or just give it up. He needs to decide whether to be an artist, a novelty act, or the controversial superstar he used to be. Because it's not working having a mix of all 3 atm.

[Chr1s]

"Classic line up from the Guns,God & Government tour"?

I would of said the classic Manson line up was Antichrist era.Were Pogo & Twiggy still in the band on the Guns tour?

[gard]

I really REALLY hope they don't play... I saw him in Download in 07 and he was absolutely terrible, love the music but possibly one of the worst live performances I have seen. He / they were there again in 09 and so I thought give benefit of the doubt, maybe it was an off day, lets try again, and unfortunately that time was just as bad... If they do play I will most certainly be at another stage regardless who is playing

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Holy Wood was probably Manson's last great album - if not his best. Whenever America blamed everything that happened at Columbine on him, most artists wouldn't have even addressed it; others' careers would have been completely destroyed - Manson came back stronger than ever and faced criticism head on, and produced arguably his greatest album. If Antichrist Superstar quite literally made him a star, Holy Wood was the last album he made before he burned out.

'Mechanical Animals' was bullshit, frankly. Most fans of Manson who were drawn to the abrasiveness of Antichrist Superstar turned away and told him to f**k off because of how accessible it was, and how largely inoffensive the album was. It made him more popular than ever - a regular on the chat show circuit - but it alienated a lot of people who'd been around for a long time. What happened with Holy Wood was he made the album he should have made AFTER Antichrist Superstar, only he needed the transitional phase (and torrent of confused blame in the wake of the Columbine Massacre) to get it done, and made an album that is ultimately abrasive AND accessible, has a lot of very good songs, and yet still somehow retains the same edge and punch as Antichrist Superstar. Why it is so much better than that album, however, is in the fact that it's the most 'Manson' album of the lot - Antichrist Superstar being Trent Reznor's baby through and through, and Mechanical Animals being Trent Reznor and Billy Corgan's. It's the best because it's his most honest and personal.