Depression - TalkSport Diagnosis

[captain futility]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMdk9Oybk4

unbelievable in its ignorance.

thank you, mr irani.

[t8yman]

Agreed, brazil is a c**t

[worm]

What's the craic here like? Some twat banging on about living in hard times as being the same as a mental illness because it shares the same name?

[worm]

I like the way he lists a load of depressing things as a reason for someone not to get depressed...

[Gre]

Quite apart from the depression angle, ROTFLMAO at Ronnie Irani having the ball to criticise anyone for not performing at international level.

(Test batting average 17, bowling average 37; overall 3/112 in 3 matches. ODI batting average 14, bowling average 41; overall 24/989 in 31matches. All of that in some of England's darkest days. Let's just say he wasn't 'the next Botham'.)

Edited March 26, 2011 by Gre

[t8yman]

Irani was defending him, and telling the other two they were bang out of order.

[Gre]

Irani was defending him, and telling the other two they were bang out of order.

[Snufflebutt]

Much much worse than Gray and Keys

[Steve P]

As with so many people they don't understand the difference between saying you feel a bit depressed and depression. I was fuming when i heard them on the radio on Friday. Having had several people who are very close to me suffer from it, this sort of ignorance just makes me want to slap them.

[Cardboard Box City]

cause being patronising to half the population (women) is not so bad?

Edited March 29, 2011 by Cardboard Box City

[Snufflebutt]

cause being patronising to half the population (women) is not so bad?

[feral chile]

These two seriously think (up front, seriously, and with absolutely sense that they're joking) that they're publically stating a reasoned and plausible opinion on someone who has had immense courage to admit what problems he's having.

This exhibits what is a very, very real problem in Britain today in the attitude that people with depression, for whatever reason, just need to man-up.

I personally think that this is much more serious in outcome than what Andy Gray and Richard Keys were involved in:

"You don't know the offside rule because of a jocular stereotype" - the general reaction is that they're a pair of w*nkers and shows that these sorts of attitude still exist amongst dinosaurs. A general acceptance of depression being a sign of weakness, and by association being pathetic, leads to the guy who might not see tomorrow morning being reinforced in his view that tomorrow needn’t come.

Suicide currently accounts for 20% of deaths of men aged 15-24, and is the second most common cause of death in young men after car accidents apparently. I think the starkness in the seriousness of the outcomes of these two attitudes in comparison illustrate just how much more serious one is.

[worm]

These two seriously think (up front, seriously, and with absolutely sense that they're joking) that they're publically stating a reasoned and plausible opinion on someone who has had immense courage to admit what problems he's having.

This exhibits what is a very, very real problem in Britain today in the attitude that people with depression, for whatever reason, just need to man-up.

I personally think that this is much more serious in outcome than what Andy Gray and Richard Keys were involved in:

"You don't know the offside rule because of a jocular stereotype" - the general reaction is that they're a pair of w*nkers and shows that these sorts of attitude still exist amongst dinosaurs. A general acceptance of depression being a sign of weakness, and by association being pathetic, leads to the guy who might not see tomorrow morning being reinforced in his view that tomorrow needn’t come.

Suicide currently accounts for 20% of deaths of men aged 15-24, and is the second most common cause of death in young men after car accidents apparently. I think the starkness in the seriousness of the outcomes of these two attitudes in comparison illustrate just how much more serious one is.

[worm]

People with mental health problems are discriminated against to an enormous level.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Really great post. People with mental health problems are discriminated against to an enormous level. People think they're exaggerating, skiving etc. One girl I knew went swimming under doctor's orders while off sick with depression, and was gossiped about, because of ignorance regarding the nature of the illness. They made fun of her behind her back, sent mocking emails to each other about her, and generally excluded her. There were incredible levels of resentment towards her, as if she didn't have enough to deal with!

She did challenge their behaviour, but of course this just fuelled the fire.

[feral chile]

I think that GP's have had a major role in peoples perceptions about depression. Many seem all to ready to go to the medication route, even for a bout of "mild" depression. But in saying that I feel that the patient has the expectation of medication whenever they approach a GP. Doling out of pills as a first line treatment at the present rate has lessend somewhat the perception of the nature of depression.

[worm]

I think that GP's have had a major role in peoples perceptions about depression. Many seem all to ready to go to the medication route, even for a bout of "mild" depression. But in saying that I feel that the patient has the expectation of medication whenever they approach a GP. Doling out of pills as a first line treatment at the present rate has lessend somewhat the perception of the nature of depression.

Edited March 31, 2011 by worm

[rachbon]

i have no idea who these people are but listening to that just makes me feel really f**king frustrated.

people don't understand depression because they don't want to. people seem to think that if they have managed to get through difficult times in their life without becoming depressed, then why can't everyone else?

it's a very serious illness and deserves just as much sympathy and understanding as any physical illness.

i HATE the arguement of "there's always someone worse off" as if that should automatically cure an illness. so because people are losing their jobs, in care homes (what the f**k was that about?) etc, anyone who is in a better situation than that shouldn't feel depressed?

depression doesn't just happen because you're going through a hard time and it doesn't just go away because other people are going through a harder time. you can feel absolutely fine, everything in your life can be going well, then suddenly it just hits you, because that's what depression can be like.

it's sickening the amount of discrimination that goes on because people don't believe that mental illnesses are genuine.

as if it isn't hard enough to suffer from depression, and come out and admit that you're suffering from it, you then face a huge battle to convince people that you are genuinley ill.

Edited March 31, 2011 by _rachelbon

[Rufus Gwertigan]

i HATE the arguement of "there's always someone worse off" as if that should automatically cure an illness. so because people are losing their jobs, in care homes (what the f**k was that about?) etc, anyone who is in a better situation than that shouldn't feel depressed?

[feral chile]

Part of the definition of mental health relates to our ability to function with the everday stresses and strains of life. Like pain I think we all have different thresholds of coping mechanisms. I do get annoyed with some people who speak over someone elses issues and belittles them. When I hear the phrase "Oh that's nothing" or "Well I had worse", I instantly want to reach for a f**king big hammer and do some serious harm.

However I do often say to myself "there is someone worse off". It helps me put things into perspective and helps me reflect on the positive things in my life. But in saying that I would never dream of saying it to someone else. That's just patronising.

Edited March 31, 2011 by feral chile

[worm]

I've lived through stuff that would make your hair curl, but the thing that makes me ill is boredom.

[feral chile]

Yet still you return.....

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Not only that, but those everyday stresses might not be the obvious ones. I've lived through stuff that would make your hair curl, but the thing that makes me ill is boredom. That sounds trite, but I seem to be able to cope when bad stuff happens. I have to be busy. Otherwise I cave. I'm dreading retirement.

You never know what particular trigger can make someone ill.

[Steve P]

i HATE the arguement of "there's always someone worse off" as if that should automatically cure an illness.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

To lighten the mood a sec, that reminds me of "The Builders" episode of Fawlty Towers

Mr O'Reilly - Now Mr Fawlty, there always somebody worse than you

Basil - Well i'd like to meet him, I could do with a laugh

Having had both of my parents suffer with depression, and some other family members too, I did a psychology A level a few years ago now to try and gain a bit more of an understanding of what they'd been through, and what I might be able to do in the future if they relapse. I never realised that people are genetically pre-disposed to depression, a fairly worrying discovery for me given my family history. It should be taught in school and discussed at work places, maybe helping people to avoid the worst effects later in life.

Edited April 1, 2011 by Rufus Gwertigan