Depression - TalkSport Diagnosis

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

Being extroverted doesn't make you happy.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Being extroverted doesn't make you happy.

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

Thats why I said it depends on your idea of happiness, but from what studies that have been done extroverts report more "happiness" than introverts apparently.

[Spindles]

I had not seen this thread or heard the clip before today. Unbelievable.

As someone who has struggled with depression my whole life, while dealing with the attitudes of people who tell me to "pull my self together" or "stop feeling sorry for yourself" but mostly "there is nothing wrong with you" I despise the sentiments expressed in that clip.

At work I had support when I had 2 weeks off during a bad time a few years ago, but after a change of management that changed and I have been hounded ever since. In their determination to get rid of me (I work hard, am never late and the ONLY thing they can hold against me is that I have been ill) I have been forced to take actions such as having photographs of me in hospital when my lung collapsed as I knew they would use that as an excuse to try and sack me (they did, even going as far as spying on my posts on this site and making it clear to me through texts that they are watching my facebook page).

I am off work at the moment following lung reduction surgery, they are still hounding me, sending me messages telling me they want me to come in to discuss my absenteeism, denying that the illnesses I am suffering (depression and an as-yet undiagnosed condition which is causing multiple organ failure and is going to lead to what life I have left being filled with painful surgery) even exist. Last year they were phoning me at home while I was off work recovering from a pneumothorax threatening to remove my sick pay. My boss organised meetings to tell people that times were hard not because they had cut back 30% of the staff and expected the remaining people to do the same (and rising workload) but because of "the people who arent here today". I complained about this on this forum at the time and a random post appeared saying "lay off your boss, hes a nice bloke, I work in the same building as you and know who you are" (this post is still on the site, how paranoid do you think that made me?)

Bullies, ignorant nasty bullies, in whose faces you can see delight as they cause pain.

I am fighting these people (well, trying to, I only came out of hospital 9 days ago and still spend most of my time bed ridden and in chronic pain and only sleeping an hour or 2 per day).

Sick of the attitudes of some people.

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

I had not seen this thread or heard the clip before today. Unbelievable.

As someone who has struggled with depression my whole life, while dealing with the attitudes of people who tell me to "pull my self together" or "stop feeling sorry for yourself" but mostly "there is nothing wrong with you" I despise the sentiments expressed in that clip.

At work I had support when I had 2 weeks off during a bad time a few years ago, but after a change of management that changed and I have been hounded ever since. In their determination to get rid of me (I work hard, am never late and the ONLY thing they can hold against me is that I have been ill) I have been forced to take actions such as having photographs of me in hospital when my lung collapsed as I knew they would use that as an excuse to try and sack me (they did, even going as far as spying on my posts on this site and making it clear to me through texts that they are watching my facebook page).

I am off work at the moment following lung reduction surgery, they are still hounding me, sending me messages telling me they want me to come in to discuss my absenteeism, denying that the illnesses I am suffering (depression and an as-yet undiagnosed condition which is causing multiple organ failure and is going to lead to what life I have left being filled with painful surgery) even exist. Last year they were phoning me at home while I was off work recovering from a pneumothorax threatening to remove my sick pay. My boss organised meetings to tell people that times were hard not because they had cut back 30% of the staff and expected the remaining people to do the same (and rising workload) but because of "the people who arent here today". I complained about this on this forum at the time and a random post appeared saying "lay off your boss, hes a nice bloke, I work in the same building as you and know who you are" (this post is still on the site, how paranoid do you think that made me?)

Bullies, ignorant nasty bullies, in whose faces you can see delight as they cause pain.

I am fighting these people (well, trying to, I only came out of hospital 9 days ago and still spend most of my time bed ridden and in chronic pain and only sleeping an hour or 2 per day).

Sick of the attitudes of some people.

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

Maybe we'd be 'happier' having a much more basic (and therefore, understandable) existence. One of my more rewarding jobs was being a cleaner when I was a teenager. It was simple, and my 'purpose' was obvious. I got paid £2.50 for 3 hours work ... a long, long time ago, but it still wasn't 'enough', even then

[worm]

The only extroverts I know are actually happy.

[kaosmark2]

Implying that extroverts have identical psychologies is as ridiculous as suggesting that any other labelled group has a universal mentality. It's one of many traits, nothing more.

[worm]

they do, but it's not possible to prove what exactly - at least, for things beyond the fleeting.

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

See the difference between extroverted happiness and inner happiness. All the extroverts I know fear questioning. You question their happiness and they fall to pieces. And more tellingly of all, they start to blame the person who asked the questions for their subsequent unease. Typical of extroverts. Blame the external force for the problem, not the fact that they have nothing within.

[worm]

Implying that extroverts have identical psychologies is as ridiculous as suggesting that any other labelled group has a universal mentality. It's one of many traits, nothing more.

[worm]

Bar one of them, the extroverts I know have something within. They have love, compassion, etc. They all (bar the one I mentioned previously) are really quite bright too. That's not them saying that, that's just me observing them. I could question them for hours on anything and they wouldn't get uneasy.

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

Give them five minutes with me.

[worm]

You going to Glasto 2013? They'll all be there then.

[kaosmark2]

I think 'broadly speaking' comes as a given really, don't you?

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

Doesn't look like it from some of the posts people here have made. And noone's offering anything more than anecdotal evidence (which is all any psychology is based on) to try and justify their claims that "extroverts are xyz".

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

Why doesn't that surprise me......

[worm]

Doesn't look like it from some of the posts people here have made. And noone's offering anything more than anecdotal evidence (which is all any psychology is based on) to try and justify their claims that "extroverts are xyz".

Edited August 7, 2012 by worm

[worm]

No idea, but I'd like to know?

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

It's a very extroverted affair.

[kaosmark2]

That's a greater ignorance than the one you're charging.

Extroversion and introversion can be qualified. Extrovert and introvert cannot. There are peple more extroverted than introverted and the fallacy of an extrovert belongs to the type fitting the far end of the scale.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Doesn't look like it from some of the posts people here have made. And noone's offering anything more than anecdotal evidence (which is all any psychology is based on) to try and justify their claims that "extroverts are xyz".

[Spindles]

In the right situation (at work, where I am comfortable in my surroundings and the people around me) I am considered an extrovert by some and, with the wind behind me can be positive, outgoing and confident. Take away that comfort, make me stressed, put me in strange situations, company, locations and the other me becomes visible, cowering beneath.

Over the last 10 years I pushed everyone away from my life, to the point that for a long time now it has just been me on my own, never going out,curtains closed and hiding from the world. My kids understand me and have stuck by me.

My GP won't even enter into a discussion about it. I have never received help (spent some time in hospital following suicide attempt and they discharged me without speaking to me directly, they spoke to my estranged family instead and all medical decisions since have been based on this). When I go to the gp he asks the same 2 questions: 'what is wrong with you?'' and 'What do you want me to do about it?'' then does nothing.

The physical problems started 2 years ago, since then, like with the depression it has been the opinion of the gp that there is nothing wrong with me. I have got more and more frustrated and the lead gp at the practice has taken an interest and started to help rather than fobbing me off. Following my surgery I was very up, couldn't sleep etc and, after 4 days in the hospitsl had come to believe that all the medical staff were against me and resented me being there taking up the bed as they didn't believe anything was wrong. I discharged myself and ended up in the carpark of a hospital 20 miles from home, with no money in a distressed state. Luckily a friend who understands (training in counselling atm) rescued me.

I have still yet to have a diagnosis, I have been this way since I was a child and have a history of self harm, which on my last spell in hospital they declared I had made up. The consultant at the hospital told me there was nothing wrong with me, to stop worrying about rubbish and get a job (I was working at the time, but he never took the time to know this).

20 odd years of disinterested doctors not even listening makes me very cynical about the state of the health service, as I say, even with surgery booked my gp simply shrugged his shoulders and explained 'sometimes these things just happen' and wouldn't countenance actually investigating why my lungs collapse several times a year, why my pancreas screams with pain on a 3 week cycle or why I get random kidney pain and pee blood for a few days every few months, what hope is there that he would bother with depression.

I am really low with all of this, really angry at the small minded people who seem to have been allowed to have power over me and most of all pissed off that no one ever listens (even now they talk about me being short of breath as the problem when it is not, it is unbelievable, agonising pain).

Depression/mental illness makes it harder to communicate, which contributes to the downward spiral. I am currently trying to work up the courage to contact an advocacy organisation to help with this (I worked part time for 3 years and received housing/council tax benefit, when I returned to full time work they cancelled the claim and I was stuck with a bill for £4700 and my appeal timed out as I was in hospital on the day of the hearing and buried my head in the sand when I came out, meaning I am paying double and more than 60% of my take home pay goes directly to the council every month).

Sorry to rant/vent/whatever, just this thread couldn't be more relevant to me right now.

[worm]

I should clarify:

As you say, traits can be defined. Any attempt at analysis though - whether relating to a specific person or a general trend - is based on anecdotal evidence.

[worm]

No doubt about it in this instance. The people I'm talking about are probably at their utmost extroverted at Glastonbury (and Bestival). I'm sure the copious amounts of drugs don't help calm them down.