Depression - TalkSport Diagnosis

[feral chile]

Was this what you saw neil?

http://www.scienceda...00621111240.htm

Brain Signs of Schizophrenia Found in Babies

ScienceDaily (June 21, 2010) — Schizophrenia is a debilitating mental disorder affecting one in 100 people worldwide. Most cases aren't detected until a person starts experiencing symptoms like delusions and hallucinations as a teenager or adult. By that time, the disease has often progressed so far that it can be difficult to treat.

In a paper published recently online by the American Journal of Psychiatry, researchers at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and Columbia University provide the first evidence that brain abnormalities associated with schizophrenia risk are detectable in babies only a few weeks old.

Edited April 20, 2012 by feral chile

[eFestivals]

Was this what you saw neil?

http://www.scienceda...00621111240.htm

Brain Signs of Schizophrenia Found in Babies

Nope. I'm pretty sure that what I saw wasn't limited to babies (tho I'm not the full 100% on that), but it was certainly something UK based.

[worm]

Leaving Neil's abject adamancy aside for the moment until the next time he gets something wrong, what do you think of more subtle conditions such as borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder Feral? That goes for anyone really. You don't seem to hear much of these in the press, yet they're responsible for ruining relationships and are far more prevelant in the general population than schizophrenia.

[Purple Monkey]

Leaving Neil's abject adamancy aside for the moment until the next time he gets something wrong, what do you think of more subtle conditions such as borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder Feral? That goes for anyone really. You don't seem to hear much of these in the press, yet they're responsible for ruining relationships and are far more prevelant in the general population than schizophrenia.

[feral chile]

Leaving Neil's abject adamancy aside for the moment until the next time he gets something wrong, what do you think of more subtle conditions such as borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder Feral? That goes for anyone really. You don't seem to hear much of these in the press, yet they're responsible for ruining relationships and are far more prevelant in the general population than schizophrenia.

[eFestivals]

Leaving Neil's abject adamancy aside for the moment until the next time he gets something wrong

Your arrogance is astounding. .... but run of the mill for those who buy into mumbo jumbo and want to believe it much better than that.

No different to you or others I'm not in the habit of posting bollocks for the purposes of making myself look foolish. I know what I saw and I know what I'm saying about it is right. You only have your ignorance on that with which to dismiss it.

Either it'll hit your knowledge sometime in the future and I'll looks forwards to your apologies (fat chance of that ), or perhaps it'll never make mainstream either because something else evidence based will rule out what it's found before it gets too widely known of, or the mumbo jumbo-ists like you will simply refuse to accept it because it shows just how little you have behind what you want to believe is science based knowledge.

Whichever way it goes, what I've said is not wrong for this point in time. It's simply the case that it's outside of your knowledge.

[eFestivals]

Exhibit A: Facebook.

Brilliant, I love that.

[worm]

Exhibit A: Facebook.

[worm]

I think they're ways of labelling people with destructive thought and behaviour patterns. Destructive more to others than themselves, maybe. I'm not sure that I'd class them as having a mental disorder (I know they're not classed as mentally ill exactly). The diagnostic criteria ooze social disapproval though.

I think there are certainly people around who have the sort of mindsets these people exhibit. But with personality disorders, it's more an external agency telling them there's something wrong with them, than the person themselves thinking they have a problem. So I'd say they're a clear case of socially defined classifications.

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[feral chile]

Destructive more to others? Do you think? I think they are a danger to themselves, particularly the borderline. I'd also point out that it is a stage in development that has not been overcome that constitutes the problem for the borderline. Usually abuse and rejection leading to fear of the external world and a need for over-burdoning protection. It's not so much the external environment as that is being shaped by the subconscious mashocistic drive of the patient.

Narcissists just seem fucked to me.

[worm]

They all seem to be based on insecurity, don't they, the personality disorders?

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[Rufus Gwertigan]

I think they're ways of labelling people with destructive thought and behaviour patterns. Destructive more to others than themselves, maybe. I'm not sure that I'd class them as having a mental disorder (I know they're not classed as mentally ill exactly). The diagnostic criteria ooze social disapproval though.

I think there are certainly people around who have the sort of mindsets these people exhibit. But with personality disorders, it's more an external agency telling them there's something wrong with them, than the person themselves thinking they have a problem. So I'd say they're a clear case of socially defined classifications.

[worm]

Slightly off topic, I have been following the work groups for the DSM. NPD was going to get chucked out of the DSM-V but those with a vested interest lobbyed to keep it in. Even the professionals can't decide, never mind society

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[Rufus Gwertigan]

I find it ironic that the foremost expert on NPD suffers from category 9, which to the layman means the worst kind.

Isn't it something to do with the classification rather than the actual condition that's put it under scrutiny? That's the problem with personality disorders, each person has a somewhat unique case. For example, I'd say that I exhibit a few of the defense mechanisms associated with NPD, but I'm certainly empathetic and internalise the criticism and observation of others whose opinion I respect. This contradicts NPD somewhat. So I'd always be careful to use psychological labelling as a symptomatic rather than diagnostic approach.

[worm]

I think it boils down to many clinicians liking labels. It makes thigs neat and tidy for them. The new system rather than taking a cluster of traits would instead say you have a x personality disorder with narcissistic traits. That just does not cut the mustard with the old school and they have been resisting the dimensional approach.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I take it that you're referring to a medical institution based upon diagnosis, rather than a psychological institution based upon symptomology and understanding.

[worm]

I don't encounter the lack of sympathy for people with depression that much. I'm very aware that it's there (the lack of sympathy), but I do think that generally, people are becoming more aware of it... possibly as more and more people seem to being affected by it.. as has been shown here, it's very difficult to understand even if it's your 'speciality', so for a lay person to be a bit sniffy about it is understandable

anyone see the Louis Theroux programme last night about the school for autistic kids? (I haven't yet)

[worm]

Yep.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I have a friend that works as a teacher in a school for autistic children. I don't know if it's ironic or symptomatic that she is herself riddled with psychological issues. I think people with a good sense of self and well being would find that kind of environment difficult to tolerate without being affected negatively. She seems to be at peace with it.

[worm]

I used to think along similar lines about people working in the "old" mental hospitals before they closed. A challenging environment to say the least.

[eFestivals]

I take it that you're referring to a medical institution based upon diagnosis, rather than a psychological institution based upon symptomology and understanding.

Yep.

Then it's all about productivity and results. No wonder.

PMSL.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Is it too far to think that people with pre-existing psychological issues are drawn to environments such as that?

This kind of thinking is pretty much a microcosm for our society. For example, if you're a strong lad then you are pushed towards heavy industry or if you're an outwardly aggressive person you are pushed towards boxing etc.

[worm]

PMSL.

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[worm]

When I did my nurse training in the 80's the first thing our tutor said was "Half of you are here for help and half to help others". He was not far wrong and I have seen a similar thing on counselling courses.

[Katster]

Indeed. Every counsellor has to be given counselling every 6 months.