The Order of Things......

[worm]

you're so certain it's a fact that you've given fatally contradicting facts.

[worm]

Diafram - the whole as it is defined by its two parts

Diagnosis - the whole as it is defined by its various parts

Dialogue - the whole as it is defined by its various parts

Diagram - the whole as it is defined by its two dimensional parts

In each example, -dia always refers to the suffix as a whole entity, while the suffix always refers to the prefix as the sum of its parts.

[eFestivals]

Still don't understand Greek do you. Nor pre fixes for that matter. Nor how a dictionary works.

Oh, I hadn't realised you also specialised in classical Greek too - how very stupid of me. But if you do, I have to wonder why you know f**k all about it, as you've so clearly demonstrated (but don't know enough about it to know that you have).

As for the dictionary comment; from you, that's absolutely priceless.

[eFestivals]

Diafram - the whole as it is defined by its two parts

Such great accuracy again I see.

What's a "diafram"? Would that be a "diaphragm" by any chance? And by any chance would that be a single muscle?

Diagnosis - the whole as it is defined by its various parts

Or just a single part of course. As in "to come to know, discern". Something you could do with trying.

Can you make a diagnosis with a single piece of info? Yes you can.

Dialogue - the whole as it is defined by its various parts

or just its single part of course.

Diagram - the whole as it is defined by its two dimensional parts

two dimensional parts to words? My, you're clever.

In case you've not got it, just consider "telegram". Words, not just drawings (but always something committed to paper or another medium).

In each example, -dia always refers to the suffix as a whole entity, while the suffix always refers to the prefix as the sum of its parts.

In each example, dia references the suffix - correct (for once!).

Which of course makes "dialogue" a thing about communication "through words" - it's exact and literal meaning. It has no other meaning.

Edited April 5, 2011 by eFestivals

[worm]

Would that be a "diaphragm" by any chance? And by any chance would that be a single muscle?

[worm]

Oh, I hadn't realised you also specialised in classical Greek too - how very stupid of me. But if you do, I have to wonder why you know f**k all about it, as you've so clearly demonstrated (but don't know enough about it to know that you have).

As for the dictionary comment; from you, that's absolutely priceless.

[worm]

In case you've not got it, just consider "telegram".

[worm]

C'mon then Neil. Show me an application of -dia as a prefix that doesn't refer to its suffix as a whole?

[eFestivals]

Yes and no.

ahh, so now you have deeper medical knowledge than the qualified medics. Well I never.

Nope. Gnosis means knowledge and dia refers to the symptoms (parts) required to have that knowledge.

do you have knowledge if you know just one thing (rather like I might with 'dia' ). Yes you do.

That's not what it means I'm afraid. 'Through' doesn't apply to dialogue because it doesn't derive from it. Unless you mean that the two narrative strains come through the narrative as a whole.

You're right, you've caught me out - it's not what it means. I made an elementary error (I really should spend less time wiping your arse ).

It doesn't mean "through words", it means "though speaking". My apologies.

(While of course 'monologue' means "one speaking".)

You really must try harder at your winging it. Or alternatively - and I know it's a radical idea - you could actually try knowing what you're talking about.

But why no comment on "diagram"? Has that stumped you? Has your bucket of bullshit run out of responses?

[eFestivals]

C'mon then Neil. Show me an application of -dia as a prefix that doesn't refer to its suffix as a whole?

A prefix always refers to its suffix. There's a bit of a clue in the words.

Now, you show me how "diagram" works in the way you say it does for words as well as drawings. You seem to have a bit of a blind spot to that, hardly surprising cos you didn't even know that it can mean words. What? What, what.

[worm]

ahh, so now you have deeper medical knowledge than the qualified medics. Well I never.

[worm]

A prefix always refers to its suffix.

Edited April 5, 2011 by worm

[worm]

It doesn't mean "through words", it means "though speaking".

[worm]

C'mon then Neil. Show me an application of -dia as a prefix that doesn't refer to its suffix as a whole?

[eFestivals]

So tell me. What does the prefix -dia always tell you about its suffix in each and every instance? It doesn't always say across or through, so it's neither of those.

And it doesn't always say "two" either, even if I go with your idiocy.

[eFestivals]

Look again.

I've looked again, and it's very definitely stumped you. Oh dear how sad never mind.

Wing nut, that's you. But too stupid to even realise.

[worm]

-dia in diagram refers to the sum of the grammatic form, which for words is two dimensional.

-tele in telegram refers to the distance the grammatical form is travelling.

[eFestivals]

A diagnosis is knowledge based entirely upon a disease's symptoms.

so what you're saying is that if I present myself to a doctor with the single symptom of having a break in my leg, the doctor can't diagnose it as a broken leg?

[worm]

And it doesn't always say "two" either, even if I go with your idiocy.

Edited April 5, 2011 by worm

[worm]

so what you're saying is that if I present myself to a doctor with the single symptom of having a break in my leg, the doctor can't diagnose it as a broken leg?

Edited April 5, 2011 by worm

[eFestivals]

Didn't say that it did. I said that the word was lexically derived from two (duo).

yet if it were, why are there loads of examples which do not and cannot (even to your stupid brain) be referring to a number? Funny that, eh?

[eFestivals]

That's exactly right. He's telling you what it is, not diagnosing what it is. It's not a symptom (or part) of a condition, it's the condition itself.

He's telling me via a diagnosis of the condition of my leg.

The symptom is a changed leg. His diagnosis is that the leg is broken.

Wing nut, that's you.

[llcoolphil]

I've only read this last page but are we still debating terms of reference before we get onto the real thing?

[worm]

yet if it were, why are there loads of examples which do not and cannot (even to your stupid brain) be referring to a number? Funny that, eh?

[worm]

He's telling me via a diagnosis of the condition of my leg.

The symptom is a changed leg. His diagnosis is that the leg is broken.