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1 of a gang of burglars stabbed to death by householder in Salford

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Defending your own home should be legal

BBC: Suspected burglar stabbed to death in Salford

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The man was taken to hospital but later died

The man was taken to hospital but later died A suspected burglar has been stabbed to death while apparently trying to break into a house in Greater Manchester.

It is understood the man was attempting to get into a house in Ethel Avenue, Salford, on Wednesday night when the householder tried to defend the house.

The man, 26, is believed to have been carried away by other members of a balaclava-clad gang as they fled, before being dumped in the street.

The householder, his son and son's girlfriend have been arrested.

Greater Manchester Police said it was treating the death as murder.

The men, aged 57 and 29, and 21-year-old woman are being questioned in connection with the death

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there is a limit to how much force you should use, and to be honest i think its right that he got arrested.

however saying that, it depends on what actually happened at the house, whether the gang had weapons and had confronted him, either way there is no need to kill someone for trying to break into your house - although whether he intended to or not is a different matter.

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the queen has no power whatsoever so if she tried to get involved parliament wouldn't be too happy, and could remove the queen from her post - as it is a constitutional monarchy. i mean cmon all she does is dissolve parliament, approve of a govt, and is the head of the CoE.. those powers are really going to be useful in this case

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It is the Queen's fault because as Queen, monarch and head of state of a kingdom, she is 100% in the way of elected presidents of republics as heads of states.

What would a good English or British President have done here?

The president would have told the police not to arrest anyone without probable cause that they had committed a crime.

Right now, it looks probable that there was no crime, only an incident of self-defence leading to a death.

So the 3 residents of the house under attack would never have been arrested by police who would listen to what the president had told them before.

If the police ignored the president's earlier advice then a president would also have sent the military to free the 3 now wrongly under arrest and arrest the police for ignoring the president's orders and for arresting people without probable cause which itself should be an arrestable offence.

The president could not do any of that because we are being forced to have a Queen, so the Queen is to blame, as is any other royal, such as Prince Charles who wants to take over from the Queen as monarch one day.

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there is a limit to how much force you should use, and to be honest i think its right that he got arrested.

however saying that, it depends on what actually happened at the house, whether the gang had weapons and had confronted him, either way there is no need to kill someone for trying to break into your house - although whether he intended to or not is a different matter.

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The burglar is asking for it imo. It's not unprovoked, in a situation were you feel it could be you or him, you gotta go for him.

Obviously we don't know if the houseowner meant to kill him rather then defend himself in the heat of the moment. But i wouldn't feel remorse for someone who broke into someones house. thats the risk they are taking. Shouldn't be breaking into houses. Reminds me of that guy who broke into a factory then fell through the roof then sued the factory owners for not having good enough security to keep him out and blamed them for his injuries

Another moron killed.

Manslaughter( Idiotslaugher) should be the verdict.

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Devils advocate here, but... (and I'll assume Its a knife thats been used).

The guy who has this had reached for a knife, presumably its pre meditated, as you reach for a knife and use it knowing full well what the consequences are.

Ok, the guy shouldnt be there, but the law is the law and we can dispense justice on an arbitary basis*. I think this is different from the Tony Martin case because if I recall he was basically shooting in the dark and he ended up shooting one of them. So the guy reaches for a knife, and uses it. There may have been other circumstances (A struggle for instance, which could've been started by the trespasser) but a knife has gone in and the guy has died. Was he using reasonable force? Was it a last resort? I dont know...

*This is hypothetical, but I'm sure it must have actually happened. If a 14 year old girl has a twenty eight year old boyfriend, and they have sex in her house, with 'consent' from the parents, do you not prosecute anyone?

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Surely it's fine to arrest them whilst the initial investigations are taking place? And surely it's ok to treat it as murder, in the first instance, until the investigations are complete? What's the problem? Actually don't answer because I've just realised I don't care. Bye

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Devils advocate here, but... (and I'll assume Its a knife thats been used).

The guy who has this had reached for a knife, presumably its pre meditated, as you reach for a knife and use it knowing full well what the consequences are.

Ok, the guy shouldnt be there, but the law is the law and we can dispense justice on an arbitary basis*. I think this is different from the Tony Martin case because if I recall he was basically shooting in the dark and he ended up shooting one of them. So the guy reaches for a knife, and uses it. There may have been other circumstances (A struggle for instance, which could've been started by the trespasser) but a knife has gone in and the guy has died. Was he using reasonable force? Was it a last resort? I dont know...

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BBC: Stabbed Salford burglar John Bennell was on police bail

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Police are trying to trace three people who were with Mr Bennell

A burglar stabbed to death after an attempted break-in at a house in Salford, was on police bail for another suspected burglary, it has emerged.

John Leonard Bennell, 27, from Hyde, had been arrested by police in Tamworth, Staffs, earlier this month.

Householder Peter Flanagan, 57, who was arrested on suspicion of Mr Bennell's attempted murder remains in custody.

Mr Flanagan's 27-year-old son and his son's 21-year-old girlfriend have been released without charge.

Four masked men attempted to get into a house in Ethel Avenue before midnight on Wednesday.

Mr Bennell is believed to have been carried away by the other intruders as they fled, before being left in a road.

Police said Mr Bennell was found on Hospital Road in Pendlebury and died a short time later.

The three people with him at the time of the incident have yet to be traced, police said.

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