PHOENIX FESTIVAL 2012!

[thetime]

Have to say jim thats a god awful lineup! perhaps you should be the r&l booker.

[luckysalt]

Jims line up looks too strong IMO, I can't imagine them being able to book anything like that.

Think its not gunna have the booking power of Reading first year back, especially if they have to book four days, imagine the ticket price!

[JIM-182]

That's why I said if I was booking, its not going to be anything like that, it was just what I would book if I wanted to sell maximum tickets. I don't see how its an awful line up at all tbh though. Jay-Z & Kanye would be immense though!

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

That's why I said if I was booking, its not going to be anything like that, it was just what I would book if I wanted to sell maximum tickets. I don't see how its an awful line up at all tbh though. Jay-Z & Kanye would be immense though!

[JIM-182]

Who do you think should headline? And what kind of fest?

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Who do you think should headline? And what kind of fest?

Edited December 10, 2011 by thesecretingredientiscrime

[JIM-182]

That's fair enough I guess. The leaked lineup really isn't my cup of tea at all, but its down to personal preference. If my lineup was for Reading then, I think it'd be really strong, that's if you drop one of the days.

[Flaminglippy]

Just as long as they don't make the same mistake as other festivals and start cluttering the line-up up with crap like N-Dubz & XXX-Factor . Theres definitely room for another 'adult' orientated festival. Most of us who caught indie the first time round will now be in our mid to late 30's (AHEM!).

Be interesting to see what happens with this one.

Edited December 11, 2011 by Flaminglippy

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

That's fair enough I guess. The leaked lineup really isn't my cup of tea at all, but its down to personal preference. If my lineup was for Reading then, I think it'd be really strong, that's if you drop one of the days.

[thetime]

Flaminglippy, that's what I agree with and was trying to use Primavera as the best type of model to imitate, which arguably (at the moment anyway) looks to have had the best festival line-up for two years running.

[eFestivals]

I appreciate that you are young and you had not started Primary School when the first Phoenix was held but Vince Powers { the promoter } has tons of experience hence why he was hired to be operational manager at Glastonbury during 2002 and 2005 - you may not be aware that Glastonbury was not held in 2001 due to the problem caused by gatecrashers in 2000 and there was a huge risk that MDC would withhold the licence if the situation was not sorted hence why Michael Eavis had to take drastic action and part of it was getting Vince involved.

The Phoenix may not be a well known name but its not a new festival - its a relaunch.

His company already runs Hop farm so all the connections are in place so its unfair to call them the newbie.

Vince was not hired as Glasto operational manager. Melvin was.

Vince only comes into that story because he was Melvin's boss, so had to agree to Melvin working for Glasto.

[eFestivals]

I don't know where your getting your figures from but if Reading { when run by the mean fiddler } constantly lost money Vince would not have continued with it.

the figures come from Mean Fiddler's accounts. It might not have been every year but was defo most years.

[Bisque]

Have to say jim thats a god awful lineup! perhaps you should be the r&l booker.

[Bisque]

I appreciate that you are young and you had not started Primary School when the first Phoenix was held but Vince Powers { the promoter } has tons of experience hence why he was hired to be operational manager at Glastonbury during 2002 and 2005 - you may not be aware that Glastonbury was not held in 2001 due to the problem caused by gatecrashers in 2000 and there was a huge risk that MDC would withhold the licence if the situation was not sorted hence why Michael Eavis had to take drastic action and part of it was getting Vince involved.

The Phoenix may not be a well known name but its not a new festival - its a relaunch.

His company already runs Hop farm so all the connections are in place so its unfair to call them the newbie.

[glasto-worker]

I appreciate yourself & Vince know about festivals much more than I (I've read some of your previous posts since joining with interest) but I don't know how many people would rely on the fact its a relaunch, or if they knew about the previous incarnation of Phoenix, to sway them to buy a ticket.

To me, & I am only guessing here, whether it is a relaunch or not, its still a new festival & we all know thanks to the efest forums how tits up these can go. I think people like the safety of buying a ticket to an established event, especially a major event & one costing over £150. When I bought a ticket to a new festival a couple of years ago, I was certainly worried what the experience would be.

I've shown the "leaked" line up to a fair few of my friends who are 17/18 & surprisingly its got a good reaction from these indie kids.

[JIM-182]

As a Reading attendee, I'd love that line up.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Damn right Reading is the better festival anyhow, especially if Bjork and Smashing Pumpkins headline Phoenix...bore.

Edited December 13, 2011 by thesecretingredientiscrime

[thetime]

Damn right Reading is the better festival anyhow, especially if Bjork and Smashing Pumpkins headline Phoenix...bore.

[glasto-worker]

the figures come from Mean Fiddler's accounts. It might not have been every year but was defo most years.

[SweepingTheNation]

Damn right Reading is the better festival anyhow, especially if Bjork and Smashing Pumpkins headline Phoenix...bore.

[JIM-182]

You're judging a festival about which there are no publicly known details on the basis of a proven inaccurate rumour?

[si_t]

How do you know Reading is the better festival? Have you been to Phoenix?

With regards to the second bit, if what's being touted is relatively somewhere around being right, they're not going to go for the "r&l acts/crowd" anyway, and why would they, when r&l is having enough trouble itself?

[mrtourette]

I'd imagine that both the leaks are false as one had Sonic Youth and the other Grinderman, and the chances of either of those playing are slim to none.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

How much do any of us actually know about Phoenix? It's been many years since any of us have been to one and it's probably not even in the same location.

[allan14]

Yes. Because if Phoenix is going to have the kinds of bands being touted then I'm never going near it. Because thats my opinion. Reading is better for me.