Dale Farm

[sifi]

So race is about religon to you ?

So what race are the none religious...

[abdoujaparov]

It says a lot.. but it also says nothing...

Race and racism is being brought into this whole argument... When I just see it as a development issue...

You can't say well it's are tradition to live in caravans but that traction about travelling dosent matter any moe and then claim that your way of lie is being shat on...

Its all very unclear what they want...

[rabid]

You can't say well it's are tradition to live in caravans but that traction about travelling dosent matter any moe and then claim that your way of lie is being shat on...

Its all very unclear what they want...

[grumpyhack]

I'm confused by 'travellers' wanting what looks very much like a permanent home to me. Do they then not cease to be travellers?

Certainly by being evicted they have become travellers again.

[eFestivals]

No it wouldn't. It would be rife. One ethnicity's way of being would preside over all others. You should regard other people's ethnicities, lest you're being racist. Colour is superficial bollocks, race is a meaningless term and religion is a choice. Ethnicity and cultural identity are crucial though.

[eFestivals]

Apparently its not a reasonable question to ask...

If a black man bleached his skin cos he was fed up with the racism he suffered, would he still be a black man?

There's no difference between that scenario and what you're saying. You only think it reasonable because you're blind to the prejudices which have forced them into the situation that they're in now, and that's because you operate those same prejudices yourself.

[eFestivals]

Yeah, sorry for believing that anyone who lives their life in a different way to me is scum

corrected for you.

[The Nal]

No you are not...

Your parents might of made commitments to raise you as a Christian but unless you have been confirmed then you are not "signed up" as such...

[fred quimby]

If a black man bleached his skin cos he was fed up with the racism he suffered, would he still be a black man?

[abdoujaparov]

Apparently its not a reasonable question to ask...

[abdoujaparov]

I'm confused by 'travellers' wanting what looks very much like a permanent home to me. Do they then not cease to be travellers?

Certainly by being evicted they have become travellers again.

[fred quimby]

Actually I'm confusing race and ethnic origns aren't I , told you it was early.

[fred quimby]

Actually I'm confusing race and ethnic origns aren't I , told you it was early.

[eFestivals]

There was no real answer...

There is, your overly-dim brain just can't take it in.

w*nkers like you who think that no one should be allowed to live in a caravan have forced them into a situation whereby the only realistic answer to that situation is to become more settled than they'd like.

Have you got it now? It's really not too difficult.

Edited October 20, 2011 by eFestivals

[fred quimby]

There was no real answer...

[fred quimby]

Irish Travellers are not a race to themselves... Are they ?

God knows....

[fred quimby]

...

I can accept what you say above... but it blows apart Neils stance...

[The Nal]

Irish Travellers are not a race to themselves... Are they ?

Edited October 20, 2011 by The Nal

[eFestivals]

EXACTLY!!!!

Defining someone by "race" is fucking pointless because it defines nothing about anyone...

apart from, in this case, the discrimination they suffer because of it.

Why is it that the brick built houses that surround the Dale Farm site that were built without planning permission were granted planning permission retrospectively, but these travellers were not granted planning permission?

(Yes, I know that there's a travellers site next door to Dale Farm that has planning permission).

It's not because the locals with the same disgusting attitudes as you are thinking "we've got enough travellers already, they can go somewhere else", is it?

And of course, no one in that area would say the same about black people, especially not in Dagenham and Barking. And anyway, that would be something entirely different.

[eFestivals]

Its kind of an important part though isn't it... The bolded bit...

There's a shit housing estate next to a shit housing estate in nearly every town. Where's the difference?

[eFestivals]

You say.... We have enough disgusting travellers blah blah...

Surely its possible they are actually think... We have had enough expansion onto green belt land...

except it's not green belt land, as the courts have definitely ruled.

The tories new planning laws have made people go nuts over this very possibilities which has nothing to do with travellers...

Aside from the fact that the tories are only doing it to enrich their mates (like Dave Moron's mate in his Witney constituency as it happens, with £35M to be made by him), there's an important point within it...

And that's the fact that people need somewhere to live. Which means building on green belt land.

Plenty of green belt land gets turned over to housing. Very little gets turned over to the much MUCH smaller use overall by travellers.

I wonder why there's that big difference when there's no difference in the use that green belt land is put to?

[eFestivals]

Surely its possible they are actually think... We have had enough expansion onto green belt land...

You do know that the Dale Farm site could be sold tomorrow to a scrap yard operator who could set up and open and there'd be NOTHING that the local council could do about it, don't you?

"Green belt land" is no part of the arguements about Dale Farm. It's a lie put out by the council so that morons like you can bleat on with your racist crap while feeling you have a good point to make.,

[worm]

apart from, in this case, the discrimination they suffer because of it.

[worm]

Your comment spark a thought (I know a bit early in the day really) when do we become another race, how long does it take.

[fred quimby]

Why is it that the brick built houses that surround the Dale Farm site that were built without planning permission were granted planning permission retrospectively,