The Dirty Independence Question

[Comfy Bean]

I've never once defended him. FFS.

Go on........

[eFestivals]

In fairness I`m taking your silence on the many issues I raised ( again ) on Murphy as you defending him which is perhaps unfair. Would you like to clear that up. I accept you haven`t defended him at this point and will be glad to hear your views on our Scottish Labour Leader.

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I know almost nothing of him - why should i? - but he sounds like he's probably the worst sort of Blairite married with the worst type of Gravy-Trainer.

Still, it could be worse. He could be a Gravy-Trainer that espouses economic policies to the right of the tories. Like John Redwood. Or Alex Salmond.

Finally I don`t feel like a hypocrite for attacking Murphy. I posted various links and quotes that all seemed pretty factual to me. Fair enough if you disagree. It`s all about opinions.

Are you happy with your ignorance and puppetry, comfy? That's what really matters here.

Someone fed you a biased story "look what nasty Murphy has done now, burn him". And you did. There you were, ready with your pitchfork, because sonmeone had fed you some bullshit.

If you were paying even the slightest bit of attention, you'd know that the story is years old; you'd know it's weithin the rules (rightly or wrongly); you'd know that 46 MPs were at it. And you'd know the SNP were at it too.

But you weren't paying attention/. So someone pulled your strings are you're there ready with a pitchfork, 100% mindlessly. You've no idea why, just that your betters ordered you to.

Who's taking the piss here comfy? Are your "friends" taking the piss out of you by having you believe lies and half truths to be their mindless soldier, or me who points this out to you?

[eFestivals]

You are cherry picking my condemnations of Murphy with what your dragging across from the GE thread

Here`s some stuff that I thought was relevant around the fella MacNeil. I await your response on the Murphy stuff that you have left over on the other thread. As I have said, me ( plus most of Scotland it would seem ) are happy to condemn Murphy for many many reasons. So far.......you are not

Man claiming huge expenses has story to justify it. Who knew?

I say again comfy: Murphy is doing EXACTLY the same as MacNeil, and what they are doing is (rightly or wrongly) within the rules.

What are you finding so difficult? THEY WERE DOING THE SAME THING!!

[Comfy Bean]

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Man claiming huge expenses has story to justify it. Who knew?

I say again comfy: Murphy is doing EXACTLY the same as MacNeil, and what they are doing is (rightly or wrongly) within the rules.

What are you finding so difficult? THEY WERE DOING THE SAME THING!!

Man claiming expenses has story ?????????

Mr MacNeil appealed to the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) to allow him to continue his modest claim but was told he was ‘an anomaly’.

Mr MacNeil, the nationalist MP for the Western Isles, said his ‘hardearned reputation’ for low claims had been trashed by IPSA.

He added: ‘I am gutted. I will be staying in hotels for a while until I find somewhere else and I don’t want to do that either.The biggest loser in all this is the taxpayer.’

Edited March 30, 2015 by comfortablynumb1910

[eFestivals]

Man claiming expenses has story ?????????

Yes!!

He could have stayed in his flat and saved the tax payer money, exactly as you're saying Murphy should have.

(and, I bet, Murphy has a much bigger mortgage, just due to buying many years later!)

I don't much like that both of them have a taxpayer funded flat that they'll profit by hugely whenever they sell it, and might profit by for all the while they keep it. But I also understand how changes in expenses rules have left these people with few real world options, and that renting out is a solution that just about everyone would consider acceptable for others (non-MPs) who might find themselves in a similar situation.

As far as crimes of the century go, against the expenses rules it's no crime at all, and even with moral rules it can't really be considered a certain breech. Landlordim is not a crime.

The real story here is how your strings have been pulled. Who's been lying to you comfy?

[Comfy Bean]

Are you happy with your ignorance and puppetry, comfy? That's what really matters here.

Someone fed you a biased story "look what nasty Murphy has done now, burn him". And you did. There you were, ready with your pitchfork, because sonmeone had fed you some bullshit.

If you were paying even the slightest bit of attention, you'd know that the story is years old; you'd know it's weithin the rules (rightly or wrongly); you'd know that 46 MPs were at it. And you'd know the SNP were at it too.

But you weren't paying attention/. So someone pulled your strings are you're there ready with a pitchfork, 100% mindlessly. You've no idea why, just that your betters ordered you to.

Who's taking the piss here comfy? Are your "friends" taking the piss out of you by having you believe lies and half truths to be their mindless soldier, or me who points this out to you?

I think you are getting a bit carried away here, especially with the bits in red. You appear to be suggesting I set fire to Jim Murphy.

As I said, I have my views on Murphy as I outlined in the GE thread. I have been mentioning the issues around Murphys background for many months. You chose to leave them over there and as far as I know you have still to comment on them or perhaps you will chose not to. It`s up to you, I`m comfortable with my views as I said. I`m not happy that he is the Labour Leader up here, some people agree with me and a few don`t.

Your banter doesn`t concern me but I have highlighted some bits ( above ) that seem unnecessary and a bit far fetched. Believe it or not, I don`t even own a pitch fork

I do have " friends " but the majority of them are no voters although I don`t think they like Murphy either. The bit about me being a soldier and having my stings pulled is a bit odd, can you maybe expand on this ?

All I did was highlight a report on Murphy. I`m unclear on why your are responding in this way ?

[eFestivals]

All I did was highlight a report on Murphy. I`m unclear on why your are responding in this way ?

Look, I know you don't like Murphy. I've got that.

But you brought him up today specifically to condemn him about what he's doing with his London house and his expenses around that.

I pointed out that 45 others - including at least one SNP MP - were doing the same, and that it's within the rules. Either you need to be consistent and condemn them all for that, or condemn none of them at all for that.

The bollocks you're now spouting to try and hide that someone's been pulling your strings is laughable.

[Comfy Bean]

As far as crimes of the century go, against the expenses rules it's no crime at all, and even with moral rules it can't really be considered a certain breech. Landlordim is not a crime.

This seems more reasonable than your last post. I agree about Lanlordism not being a crime but we disagree about the morals on some of the stuff around Murphy. As I said earlier on, I have just checked and I have raised almost all those issues before going back to before Christmas ( i just checked ). You have chose to ignore the stuff on Murphy on each occasion I posted it over many months. You have neverin the past mentioned pitch forks until today. You accused me before Christmas of mud slinging when I raised it in the past. Some of the links I provided were from the BBC so I`m assuming they are accurate.

[Comfy Bean]

The bollocks you're now spouting to try and hide that someone's been pulling your strings is laughable.

I prefer it when you spent months ignoring the background stuff on Murphy. I`ve just checked back and STV pulled my strings on this one. Did this prompt the stuff I highlighted in red ?

[eFestivals]

You have chose to ignore the stuff on Murphy on each occasion I posted it over many months.

I've told you before, he has no reason to mean anything to me.

But as you seem to care, what do you think of George Ferguson?

[Comfy Bean]

Your not making sense. Is he a pitch fork manufacturer who is telling me to set fire to folk

[eFestivals]

I prefer it when you spent months ignoring the background stuff on Murphy. I`ve just checked back and STV pulled my strings on this one. Did this prompt the stuff I highlighted in red ?

something prompted the bias-ness you heard to start on Murphy today, and something told you that you could accept it as The Whole Truth.

But worse than that, even when you had the whole truth, you didn't say "shit, there's more to this than I thought. Fair play, both are greedy w*nkers" (or similar), you looked for reasons to give the SNP a free pass, just because they were the SNP.

Whatever your opinion is about both MPs and their London houses and their expenses, it should be the same about both. Rationality and logic says it shouldn't be different.

And you should stop and think about that. It's saying you have no political judgement whatsoever. That no thinking is going on.

[Comfy Bean]

something prompted the bias-ness you heard to start on Murphy today, and something told you that you could accept it as The Whole Truth.

But worse than that, even when you had the whole truth, you didn't say "shit, there's more to this than I thought. Fair play, both are greedy w*nkers" (or similar), you looked for reasons to give the SNP a free pass, just because they were the SNP.

Whatever your opinion is about both MPs and their London houses and their expenses, it should be the same about both. Rationality and logic says it shouldn't be different.

And you should stop and think about that. It's saying you have no political judgement whatsoever. That no thinking is going on.

Seriously mate, are you saying that the various issues I have been raising around Murphy since last year are bullshit or that I have some sinister reasons to make shit up. I agree I don`t " like " Murphy but I have never talked about forking him or setting him on fire. We have all been discussing him since the last lot labour lot up my way resigned and normally you have kept silent on his background stuff - apart from one time in December when you accused me of mud slinging. I posted links today to avoid the mud slinging accusations but the stuff I highlighted in red earlier seems a bit off in my opinion. I prefer to be called thick than a pitch fork wielding fire starter

[Comfy Bean]

something prompted the bias-ness you heard to start on Murphy today, and something told you that you could accept it as The Whole Truth.

Is this to do with comments under news articles again ? There is nonsense and nutters under these articles ( from both sides ) still doesn`t explain the pitchfork and fire starting banter from earlier.

Just seen that Murphy has actually claimed for some of his irn bru cans *

* I am in no way calling out for violence against him...........or anybody else.

[LJS]

I hadn't brought this up (although I have been aware of the story for a few days) because broadly speaking it is more a story, at worst, about the idiocy of the reformed Westminster expenses system or, at best, an example of the law of unintended consequences.

So sorry Comfy - I usually agree with you but on this issue I do not choose to Fork Jim Murphy (would make a good t shirt though!)

However, if we do have to judge between McNeil & Murphy, I would suggest McNeil wins on points. At least we have on record his attempts to say "Jings, this is crazy, I'm only trying to save ye a few poonds, mon" before doing as he was told & effectively getting his whole mortgage paid instead of just the interest. There is, as far as I can tell, no record of Jim protesting at all at being forced to line his pockets further.

Perhaps the answer is to build to build a purpose built Guest House for MP's - I'm sure there was one somewhere in London ALLEGEDLY frequented by a few.

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Edited March 30, 2015 by LJS

[LJS]

Just as you were disappointed in Nicola Sturgeon at the weekend (wrongly as it turns out), I am disappointed in you, Neil.

The SNP has moved significantly to the left, done most if not all what you have accused it of not doing, & what do we get from Neil? Semi literate attacks on Salmond & Sturgeon which simply prove what us Snipers on here have long believed. Your hatred of the Nats is not policy based at all. So what is it based on. Are you jealous that we have a choice of anti-Tory parties to choose from up here? Do you just not like Alec?

I am genuinely confused. For a supposed lefty you have bought in, hook line & Fuker, to the Mail/Telegraph depiction of the SNP as some sort of Tartan Al Qaida. You talk constantly of "destroying" Britain, "Tearing" the UK apart. That's what the Tories do. As long as we're together in the UK we are on the same side. And even when we get our independence, I sincerely hope there will be co-operation between progressive forces on both sides of the tweed

[russycarps]

'when'

lol

Not in your lifetime chum.

[eFestivals]

Seriously mate, are you saying that the various issues I have been raising around Murphy since last year are bullshit

is there no deception you won't use to try to hide the stupidity you've put on clear display?

I'm talking about what you did yesterday, where you attacked Murphy for doing exactly the same as MacNeil who you gave a free pass.

What don't you get about your own stupidity and bias?

[eFestivals]

Is this to do with comments under news articles again ?

no, it's about your own cybernat routine here yesterday, where you out-did the most nutty things I've read from other cybernats.

Murphy's evil for doing the same as the honest principled SNP.

Priceless.

[eFestivals]

I hadn't brought this up (although I have been aware of the story for a few days) because broadly speaking it is more a story, at worst, about the idiocy of the reformed Westminster expenses system or, at best, an example of the law of unintended consequences.

So sorry Comfy - I usually agree with you but on this issue I do not choose to Fork Jim Murphy (would make a good t shirt though!)

However, if we do have to judge between McNeil & Murphy, I would suggest McNeil wins on points. At least we have on record his attempts to say "Jings, this is crazy, I'm only trying to save ye a few poonds, mon" before doing as he was told & effectively getting his whole mortgage paid instead of just the interest. There is, as far as I can tell, no record of Jim protesting at all at being forced to line his pockets further.

Perhaps the answer is to build to build a purpose built Guest House for MP's - I'm sure there was one somewhere in London ALLEGEDLY frequented by a few.

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you're spot on with the first para. I said as much in my first reply to comfy, that he was too stupid to read &/or understand.

The 3rd point is only relevant if you have knowledge of what other MPs have or haven't done. You don't, but you manage to claim moral superiority for the SNP anyway. Very well done, you too have the brains and fair judgement of comfy.

Edited March 31, 2015 by eFestivals

[LJS]

There is something of a stushie going on in the world of the cybernats. The bishop of bath has got terribly upset about the snp's (very limited) adoption of all women shortlists. He seems to be taking it as a personal assault on his penis.

[eFestivals]

Just as you were disappointed in Nicola Sturgeon at the weekend (wrongly as it turns out), I am disappointed in you, Neil.

Fucking laughable.

How can I be wrong about her backing Salmond's duplicity, when she did and so created her own?

The SNP has moved significantly to the left,

how could they do this if they were the principled party you claim for them?

As I've pointed out consistently, they only have one principle and it's nothing about the left.

done most if not all what you have accused it of not doing, & what do we get from Neil? Semi literate attacks on Salmond & Sturgeon which simply prove what us Snipers on here have long believed. Your hatred of the Nats is not policy based at all. So what is it based on. Are you jealous that we have a choice of anti-Tory parties to choose from up here? Do you just not like Alec?

No, it's "not policy based at all". The SNP don't have a policy of destroying the UK as it currently exists.

FFS, it can't get more stupid.

Care to tell me how the SNP plan to implement such a fantastic UK regime that they'll give up indie?

I am genuinely confused. For a supposed lefty you have bought in, hook line & Fuker, to the Mail/Telegraph depiction of the SNP as some sort of Tartan Al Qaida. You talk constantly of "destroying" Britain, "Tearing" the UK apart. That's what the Tories do. As long as we're together in the UK we are on the same side. And even when we get our independence, I sincerely hope there will be co-operation between progressive forces on both sides of the tweed

There is nothing left wing about the self-centred me-first of nationalism.

FFS.

There is no desire from the SNP for good and effective UK govt. The SNP want the exact opposite.

FFS.

Edited March 31, 2015 by eFestivals

[LondonTom]

And even when we get our independence, I sincerely hope there will be co-operation between progressive forces on both sides of the tweed

Would it not be easier and better for everyone, to co-operate now and work for a better UK as a whole? Than carry on with the struggle for independence that was voted against?

[eFestivals]

And even when we get our independence, I sincerely hope there will be co-operation between progressive forces on both sides of the tweed

what aren't YOU getting about YOUR wish to END all formal co-operation between Scotland and England?

Next up, you'll be suggesting that you keep Barnet after Scotland claimed itself as self-financing ... oh, too late, Sturgeon has already made that claim for "full financial autonomy plus Barnet top-up" ....

And here's a game for all snippers: can you see the fatal logical flaw in Nicola's claim?

[eFestivals]

Your hatred of the Nats is not policy based at all.

I am genuinely confused.

You're definitely that.

You're the man so confused about your own support for nationalism, you don't even realise that nationalism is a policy.

And you're the man so confused about your own support for the left, you don't even realise that nationalism can never be about the left.

What are you not getting about Salmond and Farage being on the same page with the same script, LJS? Has indie eaten your brain just as comfy showed yesterday that indie has eaten his brain?