The Dirty Independence Question

[DomDom1984]

I just want to say that if the SNP are able to provide a strong voice for Scotland and be effective in that role, I'd be more than happy to remain part of the UK.

[eFestivals]

why would she?

So you say its it's not about an indyref, and you say "She can clearly decide to leave it out", but you say "why should she" rule it out.

I'm glad we've cleared that up.

[DomDom1984]

The SNP are always about independence. It's the entire point of the party.

I don't think we need it to prosper. We need a fairer government. We may get one.

[eFestivals]

If you can come up with anything linking the current SNP leadership with Murdoch, I'll be happy to comment.

so Miliband is a Murdoch stooge for having his picture in The Sun, but Salmond selling out the SNP to Murdoch gets Salmond and the SNP a free pass.

I'm glad we've cleared that up.

If Miliband is not tainted by Blair's relationship with Murdoch, then Sturgeon is not tainted by Salmond's.

You've missed out the part where one party is proven as bought by Murdoch while the other party isn't.

And you've missed out the part where Murdoch approves of one party and detests the other.

And you've missed out the part where Murdoch's endorsement is welcomed by one party, and the lack of Murdoch's endorsement is welcomed by the other.

But everything is equal, yeah?

[eFestivals]

I just want to say that if the SNP are able to provide a strong voice for Scotland and be effective in that role, I'd be more than happy to remain part of the UK.

a strong voice for England on the same rationale would have the UK ruled by an English nationalist party - and if that's a sound rationale for Scotland it must be a sound thing for England to do too.

Which is what those SNP voting Scots desperately want cos that would make Scotland so much better.

Edited May 1, 2015 by eFestivals

[DomDom1984]

Ed Milliband in his own words said Scotland doesn't matter. Am I supposed to vote for that?

I think Labour, with a push, can be a good party for us. They need to accept the push though. Not through a deal. Milliband should look to do a minority. But discussion vote by vote.

[DomDom1984]

Worth noting that I see the UK Labour as different from the toxic Scottish offshoot. Fuck Scottish Labour.

Milliband at least seems like an honest guy, to his detriment. Sometimes too honest, but despite what I say, I do at least respect him for it. The Labour lot here could learn from it.

[eFestivals]

Ed Milliband in his own words said Scotland doesn't matter. Am I supposed to vote for that?

Wow, the myth factory is in over-drive today.

He said no such thing.

He said he won't deal with splitters.

If splitters want to deal with Ed, they need to stop being splitters.

But in the snipper's view, Ed needs to become a splitter just like them.

I think Labour, with a push, can be a good party for us.

Only if you'll accept being a branch office of a UK-wide party. Do you accept being a branch office?

They need to accept the push though. Not through a deal. Milliband should look to do a minority. But discussion vote by vote.

Which is exactly what he's said. What did you miss?

The SNP can vote for policies they support. That's a horrible for thing for Ed to force them into doing, isn't it?

Edited May 1, 2015 by eFestivals

[DomDom1984]

I never said it was horrible. I'm only hoping we get a good number of seats to make an impact and have a voice. You're lucky to live somewhere that has a half decent labour branch.

I'd be more than happy with a minority government and a good Scottish voice.

[russycarps]

what do you want for scotland that the rest of the country gets, but scotland doesnt?

[DomDom1984]

What England has basically. A strong voice in government.

[DomDom1984]

Worth noting that I'm not exactly 100% against a lot of Tory decisions. But as a state, we're largely irrelevant. I think if Scottish Labour wasn't such a shambles it wouldn't be a problem.

The Tories are now more popular in Scotland. Think about that.

[LJS]

So you say its it's not about an indyref, and you say "She can clearly decide to leave it out", but you say "why should she" rule it out.

I'm glad we've cleared that up.

Neil, neil, you've got so excited making your little point that you forgot where you started.

It started when I suggested "Any deal might, for example, include ruling out a referendum in the lifetime of the parliament."

I have clearly explained how she could do that - of course if she ruled it out now that would be stupid - about as stupid as ruling out trying to reach consensus after the election.

[russycarps]

What England has basically. A strong voice in government.

how has england got a stronger voice than scotland? what does england get that scotland doesnt?

[DomDom1984]

how has england got a stronger voice than scotland? what does england get that scotland doesnt?

Hundreds of seats in parliament?

[kaosmark2]

Hundreds of seats in parliament?

Do you want a different proportion that isn't based on population?

[LJS]

what do you want for scotland that the rest of the country gets, but scotland doesnt?

I think you are missing DomDom's point - it's not about that - It's a lot to do with the failings of Scottish Labour - I've already said if I lived in England in a Labour/Tory marginal, I would vote Labour.

[DomDom1984]

Do you want a different proportion that isn't based on population?

Not at all but the question was asked. And I think an entire state being irrelevant is wrong. And I hope the Welsh and Irish wake up to that too. It's their own fault if they don't.

We will.

[russycarps]

Hundreds of seats in parliament?

so you think england and scotland should have exactly the same number of seats? Really?

Not at all but the question was asked. And I think an entire state being irrelevant is wrong. And I hope the Welsh and Irish wake up to that too. It's their own fault if they don't.

We will.

huh? your vote has exactly the same relevance as mine.

[eFestivals]

I'd be more than happy with .... a good Scottish voice.

In which case you'll have no problems with England having the same via English nationalist parties then?

This is where the snippers can't stomach their own ideology. Oh dear.

[DomDom1984]

So many missed points.

The chief among them being us getting the voice we want. I've acknowledged we'll be getting it more than once.

Dumb questions seems to be the order of the day too. Same number of seats. Wonderful.

I want people to take some fucking responsibility. Voters here will do that. They actually want the better together thing to be true, and are voting to see if it happens.

[kaosmark2]

Not at all but the question was asked. And I think an entire state being irrelevant is wrong. And I hope the Welsh and Irish wake up to that too. It's their own fault if they don't.

We will.

How is Scotland irrelevant?

What makes Scotland less relevant than the Southeastern most 59 seats England?

[DomDom1984]

English nationalist parties should be encouraged. Not in a BNP sense of course. But why the fuck not?

[eFestivals]

What England has basically. A strong voice in government.

But it's not.

The SNP has told you that's what Westminster gives Scotland, but it's bollocks.

If England had that strong voice in Westminster it certainly wouldn't give Scotland more than it gives itself.

But keep up the myths, you have nothing without them.

[russycarps]

So many missed points.

The chief among them being us getting the voice we want. I've acknowledged we'll be getting it more than once.

Dumb questions seems to be the order of the day too. Same number of seats. Wonderful.

I want people to take some fucking responsibility. Voters here will do that. They actually want the better together thing to be true, and are voting to see if it happens.

The question regarding seats was in response to YOUR absurd mention of english seats.

You dont seem to know what you want, apart from some vague fluff about "a voice"