The Dirty Independence Question

[eFestivals]

I Googled for that quote. Was not immediately able to locate Sturgeon saying it.

But you will have been able to find Sturgeon confusing what is the SNP and what is Scotland.

Her words often imply them to be the same thing.

Which I see is starting to really annoy lots of people in Scotland - including plenty who have voted SNP.

[viberunner]

Her words often imply them to be the same thing.

So from a quote to an inference in one post. Three more querying you of it and it'll downgrade to a allegation, then a suspicion, and finally "a whiff".

[eFestivals]

So from a quote to an inference in one post. Three more querying you of it and it'll downgrade to a allegation, then a suspicion, and finally "a whiff".

It's a bit like the downgrade in the SNP's own words on how soon Scotland is able to financially support itself.

Not even a whiff of credibility.

[viberunner]

It's a bit like the downgrade in the SNP's own words on how soon Scotland is able to financially support itself.

Not even a whiff of credibility.

Probably the same as most other countries... via various taxes.

[russycarps]

I'm sure everyone in scotland will be happy to pay an extra £3000 a year in taxes just to maintain the status quo

Edited May 13, 2015 by russycarps

[LJS]

I'm sure everyone in scotland will be happy to pay an extra £3000 a year in taxes just to maintain the status quo

Pick a number, any numberadd 1000 double it divide it by Neil & Russy's combined IQ multiply it by today's figure for salmond's meetings with Murdoch, etc etc etc

Then present it as unassailable fact.

[viberunner]

I'm sure everyone in scotland will be happy to pay an extra £3000 a year in taxes just to maintain the status quo

Get your numbers right: it's actually three hundred million pounds per second per second squared, per molecule per True Scotsman, for ten thousand trillion years, plus we have to sell Tunnocks Teacakes off to the Chinese for no so much as a potato cupcake or a haggis sundae.

[russycarps]

I'm not surprised you are terrified by the estimates!

When you have a tiny population and a fucking massive deficit the figures are always going to be scary.

Thank christ the sensible majority realised before it was too late.

[viberunner]

In a time of trough mineral prices, the deficit is 8.3% compared to England's 7.3%. Not ideal but hardly insurmountable. The same figures show Scotland has a tax revenue £800 a head higher than the rUK.

Either way these amounts - for or against - are not a de facto reason to say in the Union or to leave it.

Thank christ A TINY SLIVER OF SWING VOTERS were BUM-RUSHED BY FEAR MONGERS before it was too late FOR ENGLAND.

Fixed it for ya.

[MichaelsBeard]

In a time of trough mineral prices, the deficit is 8.3% compared to England's 7.3%. Not ideal but hardly insurmountable. The same figures show Scotland has a tax revenue £800 a head higher than the rUK.

Either way these amounts - for or against - are not a de facto reason to say in the Union or to leave it.

Fixed it for ya.

Scotland's deficit is 40% worse than the UK's and will be even higher when this latest oil crash is taken into account in the next load of GERS figures.

[LJS]

Scotland's deficit is 40% worse than the UK's and will be even higher when this latest oil crash is taken into account in the next load of GERS figures.

Fuck's sake. What a mess the UK is making of running our economy.

Perhaps we should have a bash ourselves.

How many years has the UK not run a deficit in the past 50 years?

[viberunner]

Scotland's deficit is 40% worse than the UK's and will be even higher when this latest oil crash is taken into account in the next load of GERS figures.

Erm, Scotland has a deficit? How can Scotland have a deficit when it doesn't control money supply or taxation?

Genuine question.

[russycarps]

Erm, Scotland has a deficit? How can Scotland have a deficit when it doesn't control money supply or taxation?

Genuine question.

You ask a question like this and were allowed to vote on the future of scotland.

What a chilling thought.

[russycarps]

Fixed it for ya.

You're nearly as bad a loser as a raving nationalist who was actually born in scotland

[eFestivals]

Probably the same as most other countries... via various taxes.

definitely the same as most other countries .... not spending money it doesn't have.

Bye-bye Scottish public services.

"Suicide" in the words of one SNP MP.

It's a good job they've thought this thru, eh?

[eFestivals]

Fuck's sake. What a mess the UK is making of running our economy.

The UK isn't messing up your economy, your economy is fine. As Scots like to point out, it's one of the economically stronger parts of the UK (even without the oil money).

Or have you been bullshitting about that?

(who cares about the bits of the UK which really are fucked up? Not Nat-obsessed Scotland, who want even more at the expense of those other poorer parts)

It's Scotland making a mess of its public spending.

(cue some sort of mad claim, that Westminster is forcing Scotland to spend money on those services ... and then reconsile that with the complaints about Labour FM's sending money back to London )

Edited May 14, 2015 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

Erm, Scotland has a deficit? How can Scotland have a deficit when it doesn't control money supply or taxation?

Genuine question.

perhaps ask Nicola why she's bothering doing Scottish accounts that expose the massive deficit, then?

Oh, it's because Westminster insists. Nasty nasty Westminster.

Nicola would rather Westminster didn't, because it exposes her as a liar.

[viberunner]

You ask a question like this and were allowed to vote on the future of scotland.

Interesting that you chose not to answer it.

[viberunner]

perhaps ask Nicola why she's bothering doing Scottish accounts that expose the massive deficit, then?

Okay, so a deficit (or not) from pocket money from Westminster; rather than a deficit created from control over national taxation, control of money supply, international borrowing, etc.?

[eFestivals]

Okay, so a deficit (or not) from pocket money from Westminster; rather than a deficit created from control over national taxation, control of money supply, international borrowing, etc.?

you mean that horrible pocket money from Westminster which is a 15% greater amount than Scotland would be able to raise by having control over national taxation, control of money supply, international borrowing, etc - unless Scotland massively increased it's taxation on people like you?

That pocket money?

As it seems to have passed you by, the SNP call having that control "suicide". You can read it in The Nutty Nationalist.

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[russycarps]

It's terrifying that the raving nationalists still think they will be able to borrow freely and at low interest rates from international money markets if they went independent and had their own currency.

[Comfy Bean]

The UK isn't messing up your economy, your economy is fine.

Interesting view but maybe worth double checking the figures. Last I saw it was around £1.5trillion ( minus ) although I haven`t checked for a couple of weeks so could well be higher....or lower of course.

[Comfy Bean]

It's terrifying that the raving nationalists still think they will be able to borrow freely and at low interest rates from international money markets if they went independent and had their own currency.

Incredibly it`s also true that some smaller countries, yes smaller than an Indy Scotland will be, actually manage to survive. Sure they have debts as well and some of them could fairly be described as " poorer " than what we are but they exist, and they have proven to be quite capable of managing their own affairs.Some of them even have their own currencies and have loans and everything. Who`d have thought it

[viberunner]

Isn't it amazing the White Man's Burden the English are willing to bear to keep dear old impoverished resource-rich Scotland in subjugation.

They really are top sports like that. Selling their own mother so we can have teacakes.

[eFestivals]

Interesting view but maybe worth double checking the figures. Last I saw it was around £1.5trillion ( minus ) although I haven`t checked for a couple of weeks so could well be higher....or lower of course.

It makes me laugh how snippers hold up the UK's debt as a dreadful thing when the SNP have just campaigned on a basis of "increase the debt" while Scotland is constantly running a much bigger proportional deficit than whole-UK.

Are you confused very much?

Meanwhile, Scotland's economy is one of the better performing economies of UK regions, so doesn't deserve to be top of the pile for even more money.

Meanwhile, the problem is Scotland's big spending and not Scotland's economy.

And St Nicola will cause Scotland to have the best performing economy in the Western world, which makes all of the above (in Sturgeon's own words) "not relevant".

And this sells because snippers brains are "not working".

Cos you don't hear tham campaigning with "vote yes for a poorer Scotland".