The Dirty Independence Question

[eFestivals]

Incredibly it`s also true that some smaller countries, yes smaller than an Indy Scotland will be, actually manage to survive. Sure they have debts as well and some of them could fairly be described as " poorer " than what we are but they exist, and they have proven to be quite capable of managing their own affairs.Some of them even have their own currencies and have loans and everything. Who`d have thought it

Scotland can borrow. Scotland can increase taxes. Scotland can cut spending. Scotland can do anything it likes.

Except remain at the same levels of prosperity to now. The only way is down with the SNP's plans.

Unless you're going to show me how a solicitor is the world's best economist who will transform Scotland into the world's most successful developed/mature economy?

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself that if it's all as simple and easy as Nicola tells you, why is every other country not doing the same? You can blame the tories for the UK, but you can't blame the tories for why no other country can perform as Sturgeon claims she'll make Scotland perform.

An indy Scotland will be a success because of Scottish exceptionalism.

Edited May 15, 2015 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

Isn't it amazing the White Man's Burden the English are willing to bear to keep dear old impoverished resource-rich Scotland in subjugation.

They really are top sports like that. Selling their own mother so we can have teacakes.

Why not look at Scotland for once, and ask where the money is to do all the SNP claim they'll do.

As you clearly listened to nothing in the indyref campaign, I'll say what you missed: youR dream will make both Scotland and rUK poorer, but Scotland will take the much bigger hit of the two.

Yesterday you said you were happy to be poorer and independent, but it's clear you don't think you will be.

Perhaps try listenhing to the SNP themselves, who say a self-funding Scotland will be "suicide"?

Edited May 15, 2015 by eFestivals

[LJS]

[eFestivals]

yep, it's what you want but don't have enough of.

A self-financing Scotland will be "suicide" even in the words of the SNP.

Vote SNP, vote yourself poorer.

Edited May 15, 2015 by eFestivals

[LondonTom]

Incredibly it`s also true that some smaller countries, yes smaller than an Indy Scotland will be, actually manage to survive.

They do survive, but are normally either tax havens for the rich or have poorer prospects and services for their people.

Man can survive off the land and in a cave if he had to, it doesn't mean its better, just so the Englsih can't 'rule' over you.

[Comfy Bean]

Don't believe the hype Tom. Even Neil is not predicting that independence will drive us back into the caves....well atleast I don't think he is. We are really quite civilised up here and have even moved on from things like hunting foxes ;-)

[russycarps]

Don't believe the hype Tom. Even Neil is not predicting that independence will drive us back into the caves....well atleast I don't think he is. We are really quite civilised up here and have even moved on from things like hunting foxes ;-)

Really?

http://lauderdalehunt.com/index.php?page=links

Also you just love to kill red stag too dont you?

http://www.countrysportscotland.com/deer-stalkinghunting/red-stags/

not to mention mountain hares

http://www.countrysportscotland.com/shooting/mountain-hare/

The list really is endless.

There are disgusting hunting c**ts north and south of the border, dont kid yourself.

Edited May 15, 2015 by russycarps

[eFestivals]

Don't believe the hype Tom. Even Neil is not predicting that independence will drive us back into the caves....well atleast I don't think he is. We are really quite civilised up here and have even moved on from things like hunting foxes ;-)

It won't drive you back into the caves.

It will cause you to cut public spending waaaay more than the tories want to make you do.

Think of it as your NHS with only half the funds it has now.

You want anti-austerity, yet the SNP's plans will cause you austerity-max.

Those are the facts,. unless the SNP has a magic money tree or a magic economy tree.

Do note that Greece thought it had a magic money tree. Now it;'s finding out that it doesn't.

Do note that every country wants a much better economy, but only the emerging economies grow fast. Averaged over time), the mature economies bumble along around the UK's growth rate.

It takes something exceptional to change all that.

The wonders of nationalism, eh, where it enhances everyone's skills by 20%.

Edited May 15, 2015 by eFestivals

[Comfy Bean]

Hey russy. I'm aware that the toffs still play at hunting. I ain't kidding myself. It was a cave related civilisation joke. The use of "you" is a bit misplaced but carry on.

I have pointed out previously on here that the snp removed rates exemption from shooting estates recently. I take it you approve sir?

[eFestivals]

I have pointed out previously on here that the snp removed rates exemption from shooting estates recently. I take it you approve sir?

how many years now is it that they've not carried out land reform, while 50% of Scotland remains owned by 432 people?

It's a good job they're working so hard for you to make a big difference, tackling the big things like a business rate exemption that effects just ... 432 people!

Edited May 15, 2015 by eFestivals

[Comfy Bean]

Voting against nuclear weapons and removing rates exemptions from shooting estates. It's an ever moving feast sir but much of it is moving in the right direction as I'm sure you'll agree.

[LondonTom]

Don't believe the hype Tom. Even Neil is not predicting that independence will drive us back into the caves....well atleast I don't think he is. We are really quite civilised up here and have even moved on from things like hunting foxes ;-)

I'd like to see it happen to one country, just to see how the human race would cope out of curiosity... but yeah the point was, I don't think anyone doubts the ability of Scotland to survive but there are different degrees of survival.

[LJS]

Well, about 4 realistically as they probably wouldn't have got it through as a minority government.

I've already criticised them for their play-safe attitude in the run up to the referendum. You don't like that as it interferes with your myth that the SNP are beyond criticism for me.

What's Labour's record like on land reform?

Or house of lords reform?

Edited May 15, 2015 by LJS

[eFestivals]

Voting against nuclear weapons and removing rates exemptions from shooting estates. It's an ever moving feast sir but much of it is moving in the right direction as I'm sure you'll agree.

yep.

But it does come to a grinding halt if/when you have to self-finance it.

I know there's a snippers dream that all the oldies who voted 'no' will die out, but oldies are an ever-growing group of people with more than one replacement for each one that dies off, and how many of those are ever going to vote to piss their pensions up the wall?

And even amongst the most ardent SNP supporters, the awareness of the financial position is growing and getting harder to bat away with bullshit.

Self-financing is the dilemma at the heart of the indy campaign, where no one has a solution. For the jump-off-the-cliff-and-keep-our-fingers-crossed types like you, your only real hope is that the UK votes itself out of the EU. That's perhaps the only thing which will swing opinion to a win, tho the consequences in that scenario are even worse for Scotland.

[eFestivals]

Well, about 4 realistically as they probably wouldn't have got it through as a minority government.

I've already criticised them for their play-safe attitude in the run up to the referendum. You don't like that as it interferes with your myth that the SNP are beyond criticism for me.

What's Labour's record like on land reform?

Or house of lords reform?

Everyone's record on land reform is absolutely shocking. The UK is world's only sovereign state to have never carried out land reform.

Labour's (and everyone else's) record on HoL's reform is shocking too, but one of self-interest (for all of them).

Just like the lack of land reform in Scotland is for the SNP.

It's just another example of where they're just another bunch of politicians - tho the SNP's record of speaking big and doing very little probably surpasses all other parties who've held power.

Edited May 15, 2015 by eFestivals

[DomDom1984]

The SNP also need slapped for their supposed bill to stamp out sectarian singing. It'd far more reaching than sectarianism and quite worrying.

[viberunner]

Do note that Greece thought it had a magic money tree. Now it;'s finding out that it doesn't.

Scotland has the same economic base as Greece if it wasn't thanks to English largesse?

[eFestivals]

Scotland has the same economic base as Greece if it wasn't thanks to English largesse?

Scotland has a better economy than whole UK via the tax revenues it raises, as you snippers love to tell us.

Oh dear, the facts get to show that Scotland isn't fucked over by Westminster at all.

So Scotland's poor economic position must be caused by something else, I do wonder what that might be?

Oh, Scotland's economic position is fucked over by ... Scotland! Just fancy that.

And your mask has slipped, into the racist SNP that doesn't exist. Well I never.

Edited May 16, 2015 by eFestivals

[LJS]

Scotland has a better economy than whole UK via the tax revenues it raises, as you snippers love to tell us.

Oh dear, the facts get to show that Scotland isn't fucked over by Westminster at all.

So Scotland's poor economic position must be caused by something else, I do wonder what that might be?

Oh, Scotland's economic position is fucked over by ... Scotland! Just fancy that.

And your mask has slipped, into the racist SNP that doesn't exist. Well I never.

Fuck off, Neil. I thought you'd abandoned the desperate attempt to call us racists some time ago. You going to compare us to the Nazis again?

Or maybe you've moved on maybe we're more like Isis?

Pathetic.

[eFestivals]

Fuck off, Neil. I thought you'd abandoned the desperate attempt to call us racists some time ago. You going to compare us to the Nazis again?

Or maybe you've moved on maybe we're more like Isis?

Pathetic.

Did you miss the racist part of Viberunner's post, where it's the nasty English that cause all of Scotland's problems, and not nasty nasty Westmninster?

He's fallen off the snipper's script, and his racism is my fault?

:lol:

Edited May 16, 2015 by eFestivals

[kaosmark2]

Fuck off, Neil. I thought you'd abandoned the desperate attempt to call us racists some time ago. You going to compare us to the Nazis again?

Or maybe you've moved on maybe we're more like Isis?

Pathetic.

viberunner has made racist comments a number of times. Not just when discussing Scottish independence either.

[LJS]

Did you miss the racist part of Viberunner's post, where it's the nasty English that cause all of Scotland's problems, and not nasty nasty Westmninster?

He's fallen off the snipper's script, and his racism is my fault?

:lol:

viberunner has made racist comments a number of times. Not just when discussing Scottish independence either.

I think you guy's are getting a bit touchy here.

[LJS]

Everyone's record on land reform is absolutely shocking. The UK is world's only sovereign state to have never carried out land reform.

Labour's (and everyone else's) record on HoL's reform is shocking too, but one of self-interest (for all of them).

Just like the lack of land reform in Scotland is for the SNP.

It's just another example of where they're just another bunch of politicians - tho the SNP's record of speaking big and doing very little probably surpasses all other parties who've held power.

The Scottish Government is to forge ahead with a radical package of land reform measures after it was signed off by Nicola Sturgeon’s cabinet yesterday.

The Land Reform Act will now be introduced before the summer recess despite opposition from many of Scotland’s major landowning bodies.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-cabinet-agrees-to-fast-track-land-reform-plans-1-3734725

And, yes I'm sure these proposals could be bolder, but as you have pointed out all parties have ducked this issue, so I presume you will welcome this as a positive move.

[russycarps]

Fuck off, Neil. I thought you'd abandoned the desperate attempt to call us racists some time ago. You going to compare us to the Nazis again?

Or maybe you've moved on maybe we're more like Isis?

Pathetic.

Brilliant, you blame us for your, and your raving nationalist friends, own words.

Amazing.

[LJS]

Brilliant, you blame us for your, and your raving nationalist friends, own words.

Amazing.

My words?