The Dirty Independence Question

[LJS]

[russycarps]

My beloved telegraph would never publish a photo like that...

Did anyone just see viberunner on question time? The half wit who asked the question about could the UK keep the pound if it left the eu

Seems there are a lot of people out there who are utterly baffled by the notion of currency. It's frightening that these cretins are allowed to vote on matters of importance.

[LJS]

My beloved telegraph would never publish a photo like that...

Did anyone just see viberunner on question time? The half wit who asked the question about could the UK keep the pound if it left the eu

Seems there are a lot of people out there who are utterly baffled by the notion of currency. It's frightening that these cretins are allowed to vote on matters of importance.

Do you have a point to make? Or are you just ranting irrationally now?

[gary1979666]

Here guys have a wee listen to the appalingly sexist Salmond.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/04/alex-salmond-tells-female-tory-minister-behave-yourself-woman

This is the big issue on a day when the government announces yet more cuts on top of the massive cuts which have already disproportionately hit women. I think that sort of sexism is a bit more worthy of comment than Eck calling some Tory, "woman"

get real guys (& gals) ...(& orangutangs)

It was probably the bit when he said they should be seen and not heard that did it!

[eFestivals]

Here guys have a wee listen to the appalingly sexist Salmond.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/04/alex-salmond-tells-female-tory-minister-behave-yourself-woman

This is the big issue on a day when the government announces yet more cuts on top of the massive cuts which have already disproportionately hit women. I think that sort of sexism is a bit more worthy of comment than Eck calling some Tory, "woman"

get real guys (& gals) ...(& orangutangs)

and the big issue of the day yesterday in Holyrood? Something which isn't even Holyrood's responsibility.

If you want to rip the piss out of waste of time politicians, how come the SNP never fall within your criticisms? Might it be that you're operating double-standards?

[eFestivals]

oh, the evil Murdoch, eh...? Supporter of Salmond while Salmond licks Murdoch's brown, and supported by Murdoch's target of Nicola.

While people like you (perhaps not you personally) chuck him £80 each month while moaning at how hard done they are.

Anyone might think there's a bit more around this than you want to comment on. Funny, eh?

Edited June 5, 2015 by eFestivals

[LJS]

and the big issue of the day yesterday in Holyrood? Something which isn't even Holyrood's responsibility.

If you want to rip the piss out of waste of time politicians, how come the SNP never fall within your criticisms? Might it be that you're operating double-standards?

The only tiny wee flaw in your argument is that I have criticised the SNP on a number of occasions & will continue to do so where appropriate.

[eFestivals]

The only tiny wee flaw in your argument is that I have criticised the SNP on a number of occasions & will continue to do so where appropriate.

and yet you've just failed to criticise them yet again.

You're able to knock the telegraph for acting in an irrelevant way, but when your own lauded parliament does it there's not a squeak from you.

[LJS]

and yet you've just failed to criticise them yet again.

You're able to knock the telegraph for acting in an irrelevant way, but when your own lauded parliament does it there's not a squeak from you.

What you on about?

[eFestivals]

What you on about?

Perhaps follow the news, instead of an SNP approved version of the news, to know that your Holyrood representatives are not following their mandate?

[LJS]

Perhaps follow the news, instead of an SNP approved version of the news, to know that your Holyrood representatives are not following their mandate?

Still no idea what you're on about.

[russycarps]

Taxes will soon be increased in line with scottish wishes.

I mean, the snp will be raising taxes to end austerity, right? It's what scots are demanding.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/11652811/George-Osborne-tells-SNP-to-put-up-or-shut-up-over-cuts.html

Edited June 5, 2015 by russycarps

[eFestivals]

Still no idea what you're on about.

I'm talking about the SNP using Holyrood as a campaigning platform and not to do things for the people of Scotland as they're mandated to.

Which probably explains why they're in charge the most do-nothing pailiament in the history of the UK.

Progressive? What? Where? There's only hot air and fuck all action.

When they do have truly progressive idea put in front of them they voted it down in a VERY strongly conservative way.

You get to laud them as so fantastic by not looking and not wanting to know.

[eFestivals]

Taxes will soon be increased in line with scottish wishes.

I mean, the snp will be raising taxes to end austerity, right? It's what scots are demanding.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/11652811/George-Osborne-tells-SNP-to-put-up-or-shut-up-over-cuts.html

the cut is less than 1% of the budget as well .... if they're kicking off about something so minor, how the fuck will they cope with FFA?

[eFestivals]

Taxes will soon be increased in line with scottish wishes.

I mean, the snp will be raising taxes to end austerity, right? It's what scots are demanding.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/11652811/George-Osborne-tells-SNP-to-put-up-or-shut-up-over-cuts.html

You do know that Swinney is a more evil c**t that Cameron and Osborne, don't you? They might do thing we don't like, but they're doing them with a purpose and where that purpose isn't to make people suffer (tho that's the effect they have as a consequence).

Swinney had a pot of money to negate the 'bedroom tax' in Scotland.

Instead of un-doing that tory policy to the benefit of people in Scotland, he only undid a bit of it, saying that he needed to make people in Scotland suffer so they remembered just how nasty the tories are.

WTF does he think that makes him? Mother Teresa?

[russycarps]

You do know that Swinney is a more evil c**t that Cameron and Osborne, don't you? They might do thing we don't like, but they're doing them with a purpose and where that purpose isn't to make people suffer (tho that's the effect they have as a consequence).

Swinney had a pot of money to negate the 'bedroom tax' in Scotland.

Instead of un-doing that tory policy to the benefit of people in Scotland, he only undid a bit of it, saying that he needed to make people in Scotland suffer so they remembered just how nasty the tories are.

WTF does he think that makes him? Mother Teresa?

the raving nationalists will be along to blindly defend him shortly.

the cut is less than 1% of the budget as well .... if they're kicking off about something so minor, how the fuck will they cope with FFA?

st nicola can still be seen moonwalking away from FFA, just another u-turn in the world of the snp. Someone put together this handy list of the snp greatest hits.

"This is a once in a generation vote" - (Unless we lose)

"Oil has only ever gone up in the long term. $105 ppb is lowest that we should plan for and $113 is likely. Eventually oil will hit $190"- (Oil drops in price to $55 and holds sub $70)

"Scotland will have an oil fund like Norway" - (They have a $880bn fund, own 1% of all global equities and a prudent investment plan. We have debt, Mickey Mouse plans and a £10bn deficit)

"The UK government are covering up a huge oil field discover West of Shetland until after the Indy ref. We are on the brink of a new oil boom" - (David Cameron stroked a Shetland Pony)

"The SNP would end Tory austerity" - (What we mean is we will have the same cuts but spread out a year longer)

"Scotland tax revenues are £400 per head higher than the rest of the UK" - (Oh but we spend £1200 per head more)

"The SNP will build a more egalitarian better Scotland" - (Unless of course you're a Unionist in which case you'll be hounded out by mental SNP attack dogs)

"We will build Scotland on renewable energy" - (Oh I see. The UK government subsidies that makes renewables viable will be gone if we leave the UK? Fine let's just pump oil and worry about climate later)

"We have a mandate from the Scottish people" - (Oh did that mandate included a central promise to get full fiscal autonomy. And guess what? The numbers don't add up. Ah well. We'll blame it on Westminster)

[eFestivals]

"Oil has only ever gone up in the long term. $105 ppb is lowest that we should plan for and $113 is likely. Eventually oil will hit $190"- (Oil drops in price to $55 and holds sub $70)

you missed the bit where Salmond said it was impossible for the price to drop below a floor price of $77 - and if it got that low it would only be a blip.

[eFestivals]

"We will build Scotland on renewable energy" - (Oh I see. The UK government subsidies that makes renewables viable will be gone if we leave the UK? Fine let's just pump oil and worry about climate later)

You missed the bit in the white paper where the SNP claimed that a foreign state would be required to subsidise the Scottish renewables sector.

Oh, and the bit where that claimed breeched EU rules (along with plenty of their other claims such as keeping charging rUK students, which is an undeniably racist policy once Scotland is indy!), and yet they believed the EU would give them special entrance criteria with all these EU rule* breeches.

(*which also included using the currency of a foreign state, and having no central bank).

Edited June 5, 2015 by eFestivals

[LJS]

and yet you've just failed to criticise them yet again.

You're able to knock the telegraph for acting in an irrelevant way, but when your own lauded parliament does it there's not a squeak from you.

I didn't criticise the SNP here because I don't think it is a particular SNP policy to call Tory Ladies "woman" I di mildly criticise Salmond ..." it was a foolish remark"

That's a critism - a mild one - but it is a criticism.

I'm talking about the SNP using Holyrood as a campaigning platform and not to do things for the people of Scotland as they're mandated to.

I woudl be very disappointed if they weren't campaigning for Scotland - I'm not sure what exactly you are on about here - EU maybe - is so I'm absolutely delighted they are fighting for a yes vote in the upcoming referendum.

the cut is less than 1% of the budget as well .... if they're kicking off about something so minor, how the fuck will they cope with FFA?

Should they welcome it? Do you welcome it?

You do know that Swinney is a more evil c**t that Cameron and Osborne, don't you? They might do thing we don't like, but they're doing them with a purpose and where that purpose isn't to make people suffer (tho that's the effect they have as a consequence).

Swinney had a pot of money to negate the 'bedroom tax' in Scotland.

Instead of un-doing that tory policy to the benefit of people in Scotland, he only undid a bit of it, saying that he needed to make people in Scotland suffer so they remembered just how nasty the tories are.

WTF does he think that makes him? Mother Teresa?

I'm not aware of this - can you help me with a link- everything I have found indicates the SNP were "fully mitigating" the bedroom tax.

Edited June 5, 2015 by LJS

[LJS]

You missed the bit in the white paper where the SNP claimed that a foreign state would be required to subsidise the Scottish renewables sector.

Oh, and the bit where that claimed breeched EU rules (along with plenty of their other claims such as keeping charging rUK students, which is an undeniably racist policy once Scotland is indy!), and yet they believed the EU would give them special entrance criteria with all these EU rule* breeches.

(*which also included using the currency of a foreign state, and having no central bank).

Don't you think it's maybe time to stop banging on about a white paper launched 19 months ago for a referendum 9 months ago? The SNP have a new leader & have clearly shown an appetite for more radical policies. I await with interest, as I am sure you do, whether that appetite carries over into their manifesto next year.

However, it is worth noting that even after the Scotland Act 2012 comes into effect next year they still will not have the power to raise the top rate of tax without raising all rates - whatever increase or decrease they apply must move "in tandem" across all tax bands, and they can't change the thresholds. So pretty shit really if you want to do anything redistributive!!

[viberunner]

However, it is worth noting that even after the Scotland Act 2012 comes into effect next year they still will not have the power to raise the top rate of tax without raising all rates - whatever increase or decrease they apply must move "in tandem" across all tax bands, and they can't change the thresholds. So pretty shit really if you want to do anything redistributive!!

What were we to expect from Perfidious Albion?

[eFestivals]

I woudl be very disappointed if they weren't campaigning for Scotland - I'm not sure what exactly you are on about here - EU maybe - is so I'm absolutely delighted they are fighting for a yes vote in the upcoming referendum.

they're not "campaigning for Scotland" they're using Holyrood as a vehicle for SNP promotion.

And not using Holyrood for it's purpose, of passing laws within its remit to make Scotland a better place.

Should they welcome it? Do you welcome it?

I think if the SNP believe Scotland can self-fund - and it was a demand in their manifesto, that you voted in support of - then Scotland should self fund.

Does the SNP fulfilling their election promises scare you? Why?

Meanwhile, back on planet earth, if they know their want is a crock of shit - and they do, they've called it suicide (tho only whispered it, most snippers never heard) - they should stop making mugs out of people in Scotland. They should come clean and stop with the bullshit.

I'm not aware of this - can you help me with a link- everything I have found indicates the SNP were "fully mitigating" the bedroom tax.

I've not managed to find the more explicit report I've read before that quoted Swinney in full, but this gives enough of the gist.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-ease-bedroom-tax-pain-2268052

The full effects of the the bedroom tax aren't addressed, and Swinney doesn't want to let Westminster "off the hook" with the result that he's happy to let people suffer to make that political point.

btw, In googling, I just came across this. Lock out the tories? Yeah, right.

http://www.scottishlabour.org.uk/blog/entry/snps-bedroom-tax-question-expose-their-plans-to-do-a-deal-with-the-tories

Edited June 6, 2015 by eFestivals

[viberunner]

they're not "campaigning for Scotland" they're using Holyrood as a vehicle for SNP promotion.

And not using Holyrood for it's purpose, of passing laws within its remit to make Scotland a better place.

Actually they are making laws as demonstrated by the fact numerous laws have been passed, so that second line of yours is the kind of bollocks we've all grown to expect and adore from you.

But can you give the examples of Holyrood SNP party promotion you're thinking of?

[eFestivals]

Don't you think it's maybe time to stop banging on about a white paper launched 19 months ago for a referendum 9 months ago?

Why? Do you find it embarressing to be reminded of just how much bullshit they're prepared to spout and that you've been happy to believe?

For all the while you laud them as fantastic, you need reminding of how much worse they are than the other lying parties.

At least those other lying parties are able to keep their lies within the political possibilities. Chicken Dave isn't pretending that the EU rules are different to what they are, as the SNP did.

The SNP have a new leader & have clearly shown an appetite for more radical policies. I await with interest, as I am sure you do, whether that appetite carries over into their manifesto next year.

better lies, do you mean?

Nicola's no better a liar, you're just more deaf to her lies than you were Salmond.

When she advocates a bad policy and dimisses the facts around her policy as "not relevant", she's a charlatan.

I remain astounded at just how daft her supporters are, unable to hear these things and put them into context with the facts.

However, it is worth noting that even after the Scotland Act 2012 comes into effect next year they still will not have the power to raise the top rate of tax without raising all rates - whatever increase or decrease they apply must move "in tandem" across all tax bands, and they can't change the thresholds. So pretty shit really if you want to do anything redistributive!!

You'll have the Smith Commission stuff in force at the same time, so that's not actually true.

And Smith coming in so quickly is putting the shits up the SNP too. It makes Sturgeon's "not relevant" the most relevant part of Scottish politics.

Oh dear.

[eFestivals]

Actually they are making laws as demonstrated by the fact numerous laws have been passed, so that second line of yours is the kind of bollocks we've all grown to expect and adore from you.

An english village Parish Council is more active.

Guff is the biggest thing that comes out of Holyrood.

But can you give the examples of Holyrood SNP party promotion you're thinking of?

I refer you to the order of business at Holyrood. Pick just about any week (this week's will do fine).

Not paying attention? No wonder you talk more guff than St Nicola.