The Dirty Independence Question

[steviewevie]

this leadership election is going well.

[Neil]

who would have thought it? lies at the heart of the snp.

[steviewevie]

Maybe independence movement needs something other than SNP... it's too broad a coalition to be sustainable. Independence is still possible if you look at polls for different demographics, but doesn't look like possible anytime soon.

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Maybe independence movement needs something other than SNP... it's too broad a coalition to be sustainable. Independence is still possible if you look at polls for different demographics, but doesn't look like possible anytime soon.

Didn't peg you as an Alba fan

[zahidf]

On 3/16/2023 at 8:32 PM, Neil said:

anyone who saw the leader's debates will know that snp supporters aren't impressed by the snp's record in office.

next question is, will sturgeon's hubby hand back control of the party,  and will he hand back the missing money?

Well you were half right

[LJS]

Party doesn't look great during leadership contest  - shock!!

That's never happened with any other party has it?

Lots of people desperate to write off the SNP/Indy. Funnily enough, many of them have written them both off  a few times before.

I am not denying that damage has been done but parties have recovered from worse before and the one advantage the SNP has is that there is no other realistic place to  cast your vote for pro - Indy voters.

[pink_triangle]

23 minutes ago, LJS said:

Party doesn't look great during leadership contest  - shock!!

That's never happened with any other party has it?

Lots of people desperate to write off the SNP/Indy. Funnily enough, many of them have written them both off  a few times before.

I am not denying that damage has been done but parties have recovered from worse before and the one advantage the SNP has is that there is no other realistic place to  cast your vote for pro - Indy voters.

I think having the first minister and chief executive as husband and wife was always going to be problematic. I am not sure if it was arrogance or stupidity that allowed it to continue.

It looks like the new SNP leader will win because he isn’t the other 2, which doesn’t seem like a platform for success.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, LJS said:

Party doesn't look great during leadership contest  - shock!!

That's never happened with any other party has it?

Lots of people desperate to write off the SNP/Indy. Funnily enough, many of them have written them both off  a few times before.

I am not denying that damage has been done but parties have recovered from worse before and the one advantage the SNP has is that there is no other realistic place to  cast your vote for pro - Indy voters.

snp caught lying about the same things they used to lampoon other parties for.

[LJS]

35 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think having the first minister and chief executive as husband and wife was always going to be problematic. I am not sure if it was arrogance or stupidity that allowed it to continue.

Yeah, it never looked great. I think it may need for the best that the new leader starts with a clean break from the "old regime"

35 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

It looks like the new SNP leader will win because he isn’t the other 2, which doesn’t seem like a platform for success.

Well, I have to confess that is largely what has motivated my decision to vote for Humza, but you never really know how good a leader will be until they get a chance to lead.

Although I do worry that Yousaf following Sturgeon may end up being a little like Moyes following Ferguson.

We'll see.

[Neil]

oh, the missing money is making bbc news -not heard that before, the snp looked untouchable, now they just lookuntrustworthy.

judge them by their record in govt - they've been judged, and indie support is the loser.

[LJS]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

snp caught lying about the same things they used to lampoon other parties for.

But unlike other parties, someone resigned as a result.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, LJS said:

But unlike other parties, someone resigned as a result.

he'd be gone when the old bill finish looking for the money.

[LJS]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

he'd be gone when the old bill finish looking for the money.

You been listening to the bishop of bath again?

[Neil]

7 hours ago, LJS said:

You been listening to the bishop of bath again?

the bbc, who keep mentioning the police investigation.

[steviewevie]

The greatest leader this island has ever seen.

Discuss.

[LJS]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

The greatest leader this island has ever seen.

Discuss.

Nah, Mike Brearly.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

The greatest leader this island has ever seen.

Discuss.

i suggest you drink a bit less.:P

 

[Neil]

in the snp leadership election nearly 50% of snp members voted for a person to the right of the tories on many issues.

[LJS]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

in the snp leadership election nearly 50% of snp members voted for a person to the right of the tories on many issues.

How many issues exactly, Neil?

[Neil]

12 minutes ago, LJS said:

How many issues exactly, Neil?

Not able to Spot her right wing views yourself?

[LJS]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

Not able to Spot her right wing views yourself?

No, I need you to help me.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

No, I need you to help me.

I guess you're part of the fifty percent who could support her for leader 

[LJS]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

I guess you're part of the fifty percent who could support her for leader 

I voted for Humza and have already said I would have considered resigning from the party had Forbes been elected.

That was because of her views on LBGT issues. I don't see that as a left/right issue. I see it as a wrong/right issue.

[Neil]

10 minutes ago, LJS said:

That was because of her views on LBGT issues.

aren't rthey largely how sturgeon acted? by dismissing self id as meaningless.

[LJS]

11 minutes ago, Neil said:

aren't rthey largely how sturgeon acted? by dismissing self id as meaningless.

If she dismissed self Id as meaningless why is your Tory government blocking it? With your support.