The Dirty Independence Question

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, LJS said:

Seems pretty sensible, so you were always likely to oppose it.

I assume they will review it if there is a huge surge in thefts of garden gnomes.

i assume Scottish people expect a police force to act like a police force not declare they're giving it up.

[Neil]

i guess giving up dealing with crimes is one way to let the snp off for the  great indie fraud. 😛 

[Neil]

scottish police finally remember what they're paid for and do some policing.

 

mr sturgeon nicked for embesslement

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68850088

 

scottish indie to go to court as a fraud. 

some of us noticed years ago. 😛 

[LJS]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

scottish police finally remember what they're paid for and do some policing.

 

mr sturgeon nicked for embesslement

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68850088

 

scottish indie to go to court as a fraud. 

some of us noticed years ago. 😛 

Gosh, I will admit I'll be a wee bit disappointed if Scottish Indie is found guilty of fraud in court. 

 

[Neil]

43 minutes ago, LJS said:

Gosh, I will admit I'll be a wee bit disappointed if Scottish Indie is found guilty of fraud in court. 

 

it was found guilty of that in the court of public opinion in 2014.

[pink_triangle]

Swinney seems a decent guy, but making Forbes his deputy confirms the claim that the SNP are a left wing party as false. I’m not even sure the Tory’s would give such a senior job to someone who believes gay marriage is a sin in 2024.

[Neil]

3 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Swinney seems a decent guy, but making Forbes his deputy confirms the claim that the SNP are a left wing party as false. I’m not even sure the Tory’s would give such a senior job to someone who believes gay marriage is a sin in 2024.

probably just what they want, forbes as dep help push the idea that the greens social agenda is history,

[LJS]

7 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Swinney seems a decent guy, but making Forbes his deputy confirms the claim that the SNP are a left wing party as false. I’m not even sure the Tory’s would give such a senior job to someone who believes gay marriage is a sin in 2024.

At least she was never in the ERG.

[pink_triangle]

4 hours ago, LJS said:

At least she was never in the ERG.

I don’t think anyone in labour shadow cabinet was either, although possible Rayner has been going in disguise. I don’t think labour would appoint someone against gay marriage to a senior role in 2024, but happy for you to quote this if it happens!

[LJS]

6 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I don’t think anyone in labour shadow cabinet was either, although possible Rayner has been going in disguise. I don’t think labour would appoint someone against gay marriage to a senior role in 2024, but happy for you to quote this if it happens!

If there was the slightest sign of Forbes odious views influencing policy then they would lose my membership & probably my vote (Tories are nearest challenger to SNP in my constituency. If it looks like there is any danger of the Tories getting in, I might have to hold my nose & vote SNP)

[pink_triangle]

6 hours ago, LJS said:

If there was the slightest sign of Forbes odious views influencing policy then they would lose my membership & probably my vote (Tories are nearest challenger to SNP in my constituency. If it looks like there is any danger of the Tories getting in, I might have to hold my nose & vote SNP)

Its interesting that someone with her views holds so much sway with SNP and voters that Swinney had to do a deal to keep them sweet.

[LJS]

51 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Its interesting that someone with her views holds so much sway with SNP and voters that Swinney had to do a deal to keep them sweet.

strangely though, unlike at least one other party, they haven't felt the need to abandon most of their core principles to attract the votes of racists and bigots. 

[pink_triangle]

12 minutes ago, LJS said:

strangely though, unlike at least one other party, they haven't felt the need to abandon most of their core principles to attract the votes of racists and bigots. 

Isn’t their only principle nationalism? Lean left in certain areas of Scotland and more conservative in others to try and get to 50.1 percent?

[Neil]

37 minutes ago, LJS said:

strangely though, unlike at least one other party, they haven't felt the need to abandon most of their core principles to attract the votes of racists and bigots. 

cos they're already living on the votes of racists and bigots - always the core of nationalism., and stoked with some regular grievance mining (against their english betters. 😛 )

[LJS]

58 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Isn’t their only principle nationalism?

its certainly why they exist. and it always makes me laugh when opponents suggest that they should abandon their pursuit of independence. But then, it would appear, political parties abandoning their principles is OK with a lot of folk on here.  

58 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Lean left in certain areas of Scotland and more conservative in others to try and get to 50.1 percent?

I think all parties "adjust" their message to suit local views. Do you think Labour's campaign in Bradford will be the same as it is in Islington? 

[LJS]

On 5/8/2024 at 7:19 PM, pink_triangle said:

Swinney seems a decent guy, but making Forbes his deputy confirms the claim that the SNP are a left wing party as false. I’m not even sure the Tory’s would give such a senior job to someone who believes gay marriage is a sin in 2024.

"She" is Kate Forbes...

On Friday she told BBC Scotland News that she would "wholeheartedly endorse" the Scottish government position.

She said: "The first minister has been absolutely clear that the Scottish government intends to promote, to protect and to enhance the rights of every LGBT person in Scotland, and I wholeheartedly endorse that position."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c97zv90d77do#chameleon-global-navigation-more-menu 

 

 

Incidentally, it's very hard to find reports of this statement by Forbes but remarkably easy to find content attacking her appointment. Odd isn't it?

 

Edited May 10 by LJS

[pink_triangle]

16 hours ago, LJS said:

"She" is Kate Forbes...

On Friday she told BBC Scotland News that she would "wholeheartedly endorse" the Scottish government position.

She said: "The first minister has been absolutely clear that the Scottish government intends to promote, to protect and to enhance the rights of every LGBT person in Scotland, and I wholeheartedly endorse that position."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c97zv90d77do#chameleon-global-navigation-more-menu 

 

 

Incidentally, it's very hard to find reports of this statement by Forbes but remarkably easy to find content attacking her appointment. Odd isn't it?

 

The numbers aren’t there to ban gay marriage, you would probably would struggle to find a Tory msp who doesn’t believe in marriage equality. However the fact remains the SNP deputy leader doesn’t believe that gay people should have the same rights as straight people. Her “no sex before marriage “ guidance could also cause issues with the birth rate in Scotland!