Tesco getting free workers

[abdoujaparov]

They key point though I suppose is I would only want someone who wanted to work with me in this way. And not someone being forced to do it. So to cut along story short... There are plenty of kids out there anyway ready to do this via other schemes etc... So fine, don't look at the possibility at offering this to the long term unemployed...

[benc]

seriously, who needs 'work experience' at stacking shelfs? I stacked shelfs when i went through college, its straight forward, within an hour i managed to get the hang of it and obtained all the experience i'd need to get me though the next few years of of stacking shelfs.

Tesco's is taking the piss - shouldn't be allowed to do it, nothing stopping them from not taking someone on permanently at the end and taking on a new 'work experience' person to restart the cycle.

Once i finished college (Studied a crappy IT course!) i spent the next 18 months looking for a job, while still working at my local supermarket. I couldn't get an IT because of lack of experience, that annoying cycle where you can't get experience but you need it.

If I had an offer from barry for 12 months training/experience and the social paid my expenses and dole money, would i take it, to be fair i'd probably have bitten his hand off. would i feel exploited? yes to some extent, but in the long-term the positives should outweigh this.

[LondonTom]

Why would you feel even a bit exploited... You wouldn't be of much use until you actually learnt want to do... The reality you would only start being of some real value after about 6 months and then only limited... By the end of the 12 month though you would be in a better position than most graduates... Training on .net, SQL server and possibly project management. Cost between £3-£5k...

Edited February 18, 2012 by LondonTom

[eFestivals]

They would start being useful after about six months as I stated above... If everything wet well...

£12k salary + £3k + lost time from mentoring

Much more than £6k

Your looking at quite a bit of work there

and you're getting work back too.

If it was a no brainer I would take someone on... There isn't tons of work out there right now...

so there you go, no lost time at all then. Spare time that you have available that you could give to someone who is unfortunate enough to be unemployed ... AND you'd still get more than £6k'#s worth of value from them.

I gross hugely less than you. I could earn what you do (much more, actually). I'm not a greedy fucker, I employ people. I realise that others have to have success if I'm to have success.

There is more to life than taking all you can get for yourself.

[eFestivals]

.... after paying myself a market rate....

a distorted market rate, because you are earning taking the money that should be available to fund employment for other workers but instead you are taking it all for yourself.

What I say there is the very heart of all the problems in this country. It is the reason for unemployment. It is the reason that bankers give themselves the pay packets and bonuses they do. It is the reason for the ever-increasing wealth gap and the shirking social mobility. It is the reason why kids are going to be paying £9k a year for the uni education you got for free. Etc, etc, etc.

What you seem to honestly believe ( ) to be a fair system of reward for yourself is self-sustaining selfish bollocks.

You talk about how you believe that your faith makes you a better person, and yet you refuse to give any part of your privileges to help your fellow man to any real extent; chucking a few quid into the church plate is your cop-out. Privileges that you have by luck and not purely by your own work.

If you wish for the 'work shy' unemployed to change then you have to change. If you wish for the country to change then you have to change. If you honestly believe the nicer things you say but don't follow thru on you have to change.

Your life is not just about you. You have not created how your life is but society has, a society that you feel deserves nothing from you except the minimal taxes you pay via manipulating the system to your advantage in the way that those less fortunate - less lucky - than you cannot.

I'd like to think that one day your head will fall from your arse, and that's why I post these words. I'm an eternal optimist, while you are just ... well, you can work it out.

Edited February 18, 2012 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

Barry, you have free time. You've just said so.

You have skills.

Offer your time and skills to an unemployed person, to put them in the position where they will be more likely to find work.

Put your actions where your words are.

[benc]

Interesting...

Why would you feel even a bit exploited... You wouldn't be of much use until you actually learnt want to do... The reality you would only start being of some real value after about 6 months and then only limited... By the end of the 12 month though you would be in a better position than most graduates... Training on .net, SQL server and possibly project management. Cost between £3-£5k...

You would literally be a fully fledge software developer cable of easily landing 20-25k jobs... If not more....

I would probably break about even.... You would have a career....

Who in reality got exploited ? Just interested...

[eFestivals]

When did I say my faith makes me a better person than someone else ?

you might not have said it does that to you personally. You've very definitely said that (tho perhaps noty in those exact words) as an overall statement about people of the Christian faith.

I cant enter into a reasonable conversation with you because whatever I choose to pay myself you would deem too much. How low do I have I go until its ok ? I currently get 40kish

The question is one to ask yourself, and in the other direction. How much does your family want before you feel you're taking advantage of others in society?

[eFestivals]

I don't have free work time...

What don't you get about that?

Your inability to listen is your biggest problem.

There isn't tons of work out there right now...

Your ability to write constant lies is your biggest problem.

[eFestivals]

The employment of people isn't a no brainer... Less of course I live of NMW which you want me to ... Then yeah, I accept, I could employee someone else.

That isn't happening though. And I doubt many posting here would...

I currently get 40kish

Is my maths bad?

40 - 6 = 34.

I know I'm getting a little out of touch but I didn't think NMW was quite that high yet?

Wriggle, wriggle, lie, lie.

What scares you about stating the truth? Greed, greed.

[eFestivals]

And I doubt many posting here would...

here's one who almost is - I'm certainly earning far far less than you. Because it's the right thing to do.

Edited February 18, 2012 by eFestivals

[Katster]

I am by no means sticking up for tesco and this ridiculous idea but to the person who said about stacking shelves not being decent work experience it's not just shelf stacking is it...it's customer service, stock rotation (fifo/lifo), stock taking, till training, merchandising etc.

I still apply many skills learnt at tesco to my current role and job applications I am currently filling in.

Oaf- give me a job, pleeeeeease? (I am looking to earn over 17k though!!)

[eFestivals]

So no answer then...

I have an answer. The problem is that you don't, and it's only your answer which counts for you.

[eFestivals]

Good for you... I think...

I want an holiday though... and I have an extension I want to build...

Yep, you want it all for you. It's not something I'd not realised.

Which is why there's nothing for others, and that's where all of society's problems come from.

It's not just you of course, but everyone with your mindset of me me me and only me is what is fucking up the world. There is only so much to go around, and if you have it all yourself then others are losing out as a consequence.

[eFestivals]

I have no idea what your point is...

What is the £6k ?

£6k is the net cost to you of employing someone at a salary of £12k.

Minimum wage is around £13k as a annual salary... Then you have to add on the cost of hardware, software, training and support...

Don't you have an old computer kicking around? Don't you have old no-longer-used-software licences kicking around? I have these and I'm not even a software developer.

Never heard of the internet as a scource of knowledge and training?

You give matey a simple programming task. Matey completes the task. You spend 20 minutes looking at his code and advising him of improvements. You then give matey another task. Etc, etc, etc.

You can invent problems for why you can't do it or you can go with the easy and free ways that are in front of you.

Surely you can afford to give your fellow man 30 minutes each day, for him to be able to achieve all the things you say they don't do thru laziness? Is it just laziness by the unemployed, or is the problem really the laziness of those who can help and employ?

Simple fact is that 30 years ago companies trained people. Now the boss won't because they think that everything is rightfully theirs and not something to share with their fellow man.

[eFestivals]

I'm not getting at just you Barry. The point is that all you say and do is typical of so much that is wrong in this country.

It is the cause of unemployment, the growing wealth gap, shrinking social mobility, criminality, violence, and more.

You say you want those things to change, but you expect that change to miraculously happen without your active support, without you doing anything towards it. And so nothing will change, the problems will get worse.

Open your eyes and open your mind and do what you can to change things. Throwing a few quid into the church plate on Sunday changes fuck all.

Edited February 19, 2012 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

I don't want it all... Just the extension and a holiday or two... (Three is a bit of a one off)

a one off? Then I wonder why the three holidays has been a constant saying of yours for years.

You want more than is yours by right. Just because you're able to acquire those things doesn't mean it's your right to acquire those things. After all, the exact same logic as that applies to a common thief.

What yopu acquire you acquire thru society, not by just your own hard work. Give back to society (and I don't just mean you to come back to that saying "I pay my taxes" ).

[kaosmark2]

I don't want it all... Just the extension and a holiday or two... (Three is a bit of a one off)

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I do quite fancy learning to dive : P

[lost]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9090953/Ministers-anger-over-job-snobs-opposing-Tesco-work-experience-for-unemployed.html

The Guardian newspaper publishes stories attacking big retailers for offering short-term unpaid work experience placements for young people.

"But that same Guardian newspaper advertises on its website - yes, you guessed it - short-term unpaid work experience placements for young people.

"The BBC's Newsnight joined in the attack on big retailers offering unpaid work experience. And on the BBC website? Yes, you guessed it again – an offer of unpaid work experience placements.

[kaosmark2]

Huh. Very right to point out the hypocrisy of the Guardian and BBC advertising them. The thing is though, for some it is mandatory, and referring to a chief exec who started as a shelf-stacker/cleaner is ridiculous - as he got paid for it when he started.

Why shouldn't companies have to pay workers while training them?

[Katster]

I'm not a greedy fucker, I employ people. I realise that others have to have success if I'm to have success.

[eFestivals]

OK then, since Oaf never replied to my request - will YOU employ me?

Sure, if you come with govt funding for your pay.

[Purple Monkey]

Depressing.

People don't get paid enough in paid work as it is.

Fuck this planet.

[Katster]

You already have a job