eFestivals Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Neil your whole rumours section is based on guesswork PMSL. You know nothing. Keep them coming and keep proving that you know nothing. So don't tell people what they know or don't know as you're just as in the dark as everyone else, you even admitted that. When I know nothing I say I know nothing. When you know nothing you present it as irrefutable fact. Nice to see I touched a nerve about the only festival you're actually interested in on here. Is that what you think you did? PMSL. You touched no nerves at all. All you did was proved your gross ignorance about all you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jump Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) ... but still managed to run 5 festivals this year. It would be a different matter entirely if Knebworth was the only Sonisphere festival, I'm sure they can take a hit now and again. Edited June 20, 2012 by jump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffoire Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 ... but still managed to run 5 festivals this year. It would be a different matter entirely if Knebworth was the only Sonisphere festival, I'm sure they can take a hit now and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Crow Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I don't think the situation is as bad as some people think, as I said before the festival is still being talked about, the company are still running and they are already sorting the tour out for net year, I am absolutely certain that it will go ahead. It's not like it's Vince Powers trying to flog a festival that stopped over a decade ago and then turning around in the build up and saying there wasn't enough bands to book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) I don't think the situation is as bad as some people think, as I said before the festival is still being talked about, the company are still running and they are already sorting the tour out for net year, I am absolutely certain that it will go ahead. It's not like it's Vince Powers trying to flog a festival that stopped over a decade ago and then turning around in the build up and saying there wasn't enough bands to book. Vince's failure to get a revived Phoenix off the ground this year is less damaging to Phoenix going forwards than Soni's cancellation this year was to Soni, I guarantee. Vince's failure fucked no one around apart from a landowner. Compare and contrast with Soni. Edited June 20, 2012 by eFestivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcademicPistol Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 ooh eeh ooh ahah, ting tang wallawallabingbang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffoire Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 But hasn't every non-UK Soni that has been cancelled or "had a gap year" not come back and last year there were 13 Soni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Crow Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 But hasn't every non-UK Soni that has been cancelled or "had a gap year" not come back and last year there were 13 Soni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) Ok, say you're in a major band ( lets say System of a Down) You have offers from Reading, Download and Sonisphere. You also have the opportunity to play your own gigs. Why would you accept Sonisphere, when your not guaranteed a payday? Also, i doubt any of the bands out of pocket this year would want to risk signing uop for sonisphere again. Only way forward i can see is reduce to 2 days, get iron maiden 100% confirmed with the money paid to them, announce that they are playing asap and get some ticket money in from their fanboys. use that money + guarantee of Maiden playing to get some other big band to risk being a headliner. Edited June 20, 2012 by zahidf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Crow Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Vince's failure to get a revived Phoenix off the ground this year is less damaging to Phoenix going forwards than Soni's cancellation this year was to Soni, I guarantee. Vince's failure fucked no one around apart from a landowner. Compare and contrast with Soni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Crow Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Neil where do you stand on all the other festivals that are taking a year off like High Voltage, Oegen etc, are they all doomed as well or is it just Sonisphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 this year some were cancelled due to logistics with just about every European festival moving forwards due to all the activities this Summer. nope, this year some were cancelled because of AEG pulling their funding for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtourette Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Ok, say your in a major band ( lets say System of a Down) You have offers from Reading, Download and Sonisphere. You also have the opportunity to play your own gigs. Why would you accept Sonisphere, when your not guaranteed a payday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Christ there are some idiotic comments here. Cancelling an already announced + booked lineup is not the same as taking a year off. Cancelling an already announced + booked lineup will cause difficulties. Festival loyalty only matters a damn to a few. Most punters go where the lineup is, with other experiences able to provide a slight edge. A larger company and source of funding pulling out will cause major difficulties. Soni will struggle to go ahead. If it does, great, but I'm not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Neil where do you stand on all the other festivals that are taking a year off like High Voltage, Oegen etc, are they all doomed as well or is it just Sonisphere. They're in a different position, because they have not damaged their rep in anything like the same way as Soni. That doesn't mean I think they'll necessarily be back. There's reasons for why both might not be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Numerous reasons. The fact that that pay isn't guaranteed could be countered by making it more than normal to encourage a band to take the risk. Maybe Soni would be prepared to put a band higher on the bill than the others (this would be likely for a band like SOAD who I doubt all three festivals would be fighting over to have headline). Thirdly they'll have to go on a bloody big charm offensive to certain acts and managements companies to get them on board, but this is a viable option and some bands might buy into it. Soni will have to take risks like paying more and giving headline slots to bands that others wouldn't, but then they did that anyway with Biffy and Slipknot. Also you'd probably find that they wouldn't be targeting bands that have offers form other festivals but trying something different (again which they've tried before but unlike pushing up Biffy and Slipknot didn't work). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I really don't think so, Vince trying to revive a festival which no one cares about against a festival which has a million members on various social networking sites and a dedicated fan base. Vince is trying to revive a well-respected fest. As is always the case around something like that, if he can get the bands, then he'll succeed. Soni is in a completely different position. It matters not a fuck how many billions of people might have liked something on facebook. What counts is getting people to part with their money, and less than 10,000 would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Festival loyalty only matters a damn to a few. Most punters go where the lineup is, with other experiences able to provide a slight edge. This ^^^^ Everything else is meaningless bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtourette Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Then it might not sell and it will cancel again:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenfire Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 If it was to go ahead who would everyone on here want to see as the 3 headliners? Let's be realistic here. With Reading and Especially Download in the frame who could Soni get? Iron Maiden are being chucked around as a certainty but who would be they other headliner(s)? Metallica can't save the day again I don't know about everyone else but I'm getting a little sick of these album in full shows so hopefully Maiden don't do that (if they do play...). Unless it really deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Tool! I'm going to go for an outside choice and say Jack White. I'm not a particularly big fan, but as a 60k size fest, Soni can take a chance on acts that other fests would view as too small/not developed enough in their own right, yet have a large and dedicated fanbase. I'm pretty sure if they are to go ahead they'll have to get Maiden back (given that I don't think AC/DC, Led Zep or Sabbath are realistic options for them). Rage Against the Machine maybe? The Who? Rush, with their tour dates will presumably do Download or Hard Rock Calling if any. SOAD are in with a chance. I'd love Neil Young, even though I don't think it'd happen. My main hope for Soni, is that they weren't going too far towards the metal. They billed themselves as a rock festival, and I think if it is to survive, it'd do better trying to carve out a niche between Download and R/L, rather than competing directly with DL for heavy acts only. Even though I don't really like them, I thought Biffy was a great choice for headliner, as it made a positive statement both about giving bands a chance and that they weren't all about the heavy stuff. They've had a bit of an interesting range lower down, even if this year most of the bands were awful, and I'd prefer they keep that. The hit to their reputation in terms of reliability is going to mean they won't get many fans buying pre-sale tickets before the lineup is announced, so they need to focus on getting their own style of lineup. Something that differs from R/L, Download and IOW. Tbh though, I don't see it successfully being back long term. I think fans of the fest are underestimating the blow a cancellation (not a year off) will do, particularly in a climate where a lot of fests will be failing in the next few years anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipper64 Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Aye I think if it's going to be a 3 day affair if it comes back, one headliner will certainly be someone getting a bump up. frontrunners for that are going to be the likes of A7X, 30STM or Paramore I imagine, so could see a headline slot going to one of those - I can see download booking one of them too though, I'd guess Avenged are most likely the preferred one between both, or at least the one who'd be most accepted/sell the most tickets as a new headliner. Edited June 22, 2012 by kipper64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcademicPistol Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Tool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jump Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Imo I think Soni is the most likely to get Green Day if they were to play an UK fest but still a bit unlikely tho. I'd like to see Prodigy, Tool and Rammstein headline aswell as getting more alternative and punk acts on the bill like Manics, Beatsteaks, Garbage, Gogol Bordello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza_20 Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Imo I think Soni is the most likely to get Green Day if they were to play an UK fest but still a bit unlikely tho. I'd like to see Prodigy, Tool and Rammstein headline aswell as getting more alternative and punk acts on the bill like Manics, Beatsteaks, Garbage, Gogol Bordello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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