2013 Headliners

[eFestivals]

I've done a comparison for bands which could play Download as well as Reading and through the years, this figure barely changes, you implied that since Download started, Reading changed approach, which isn't true in the slightest.

I've not had a look poster-to-poster for Reading over the years, but it's certainly my perception that there used to be more rock/metal at Reading than there is now, and that there's more from the pop end of things now too. I'm pretty confident that that idea would stand up to analysis.

Here's a pretty easy way to do it I reckon: when was the last time you heard it called Reading Rock festival?

Edited July 10, 2012 by eFestivals

[Black_Crow]

I've not had a look poster-to-poster for Reading over the years, but it's certainly my perception that there used to be more rock/metal at Reading than there is now, and that there's more from the pop end of things now too. I'm pretty confident that that idea would stand up to analysis.

Here's a pretty easy way to do it I reckon: when was the last time you heard it called Reading Rock festival?

Edited July 10, 2012 by Black_Crow

[Gingo]

Lethal Bizzle got abuse because he was so out of place at the festival, he was and is crap, there may have been 1 or 2 morons at the festival, but him being covered in Muller rice and various other objects wasn't a racist attack, it was because he sucked. I suppose Jeremy Clarkson calling him shit and pulling the plug on him live on air was a racist attack as well then.

It just so happens that a lot of acts have played at Download who come from different ethnic backgrounds and many rap/hip-hop artists have been requested to play over the years, so one incident where some guy who just happens to be black got bottled, doesn't make metal-heads or Download close minded or racists.

[Black_Crow]

He got a banana thrown at his feet that had "Bizzle you black c**t" written on it, if that is not racist then please enlighten me

[Gingo]

Fair enough, I do agree but to be fair from a few of my friends who were there and videos on youtube it looked like he was being chanted for an encore by the end so it cant have been too bad

[Black_Crow]

Fair enough, I do agree but to be fair from a few of my friends who were there and videos on youtube it looked like he was being chanted for an encore by the end so it cant have been too bad

[2rare2die]

Pretty much, yup.

I wasn't so much calling metallers closed minded, but merely pointing out that they have the same attitudes tho in opposite directions of the others who they can often be quick to condemn.

[eFestivals]

It doesn't matter if there's more mainstream music, fact of the matter is that Download hasn't affected this case. As I said before, there are still as many acts that could cross over to a Download lineup easily, as there always has been.

really? I remember in 2000 there were loads of acts which today would be regarded as primarily 'Download acts', and where Reading doesn't have anything like the same number of 'Download acts' on the bill today.

Rage, Limp Talent, Slipknot, etc. - and they were the mid-afternoon acts, not the headliners.

The same could be reversed back to you, when was the last time you heard it being called Reading pop festival. Nope never.

That's not the reverse. It was never commonly known as Reading Pop Festival (tho it's certainly not the 'never ever' that you believe it to be), but it WAS commonly known as Reading Rock Festival - but isn't any more.

It was still being referred to as Reading Rock Festival in 2000 - tho admittedly not as much as it was prior to that. It's never called that now.

The lineup is still mainly rock, whether that be Indie, Punk or whatever. The same amount of bands still cover the Download audience now as what they did before Download existed.

The line-up might still be mostly 'rock', but there's much less now of what would fit into a rock/metal bracket - because Download now covers that bracket, and Live Nation aren't stupid enough to be openly competing with another festival they own.

Essentially, Reading has moved a notch towards the mainstream, while Download is Reading fest moved a notch towards metal.

Edited July 11, 2012 by eFestivals

[AcademicPistol]

A bit of a generalisation there wouldn't you say? I love my metal, but i also love Bob Dylan and The Beatles, as well as owning four Jay Z albums (along with various other hip hop albums). I do agree that a fair few metalheads can be guilty of music snobbery though, and that they could do to be a bit more openminded when it comes to music in general.

[kaosmark2]

I've not had a look poster-to-poster for Reading over the years, but it's certainly my perception that there used to be more rock/metal at Reading than there is now, and that there's more from the pop end of things now too. I'm pretty confident that that idea would stand up to analysis.

Here's a pretty easy way to do it I reckon: when was the last time you heard it called Reading Rock festival?

[eFestivals]

That perception isn't just based on the "WHERZ ALL DA METULZ?" threads on the Reading/Leeds forum here is it?

lol - defo not.

The "where's all the metal?" question has been asked every year since the 80s at least .... but it's something which has disappeared in recent years.

Which only gets to further prove my point I reckon. There's no longer any expectation of it having metal apart from a token act at the top of the bill. There used to be much more than that, even tho people used to complain there wasn't enough.

[kaosmark2]

Which only gets to further prove my point I reckon. There's no longer any expectation of it having metal apart from a token act at the top of the bill. There used to be much more than that, even tho people used to complain there wasn't enough.

[eFestivals]

When did Livenation take over?

when they bought Mean Fiddler and renamed it Festival Republic - which was before Download started.

I know that FR is run separately from LN, and that FR is only just-over-half owned by LN, but ultimately LN legally control FR and LN are not so stupid as to have two of their festivals competing directly against each other.

[Black_Crow]

really? I remember in 2000 there were loads of acts which today would be regarded as primarily 'Download acts', and where Reading doesn't have anything like the same number of 'Download acts' on the bill today.

Rage, Limp Talent, Slipknot, etc. - and they were the mid-afternoon acts, not the headliners.

[willutalk]

I've not had a look poster-to-poster for Reading over the years, but it's certainly my perception that there used to be more rock/metal at Reading than there is now, and that there's more from the pop end of things now too. I'm pretty confident that that idea would stand up to analysis.

Here's a pretty easy way to do it I reckon: when was the last time you heard it called Reading Rock festival?

[eFestivals]

All 3 of those "metal" bands you named have played recently 2008 and 2010.

all the same year, with other similar acts on the bill? Nope.

That's the difference between back then and now.

I think you're getting your years mixed up, 2000 was possibly the lightest Reading year to date, whereas 2001 was possibly the heaviest.

2001 possibly the heaviest? Can I point out that I first went to Reading in the early 80s?

I'm pretty sure those bands were 2000, tho I may be wrong. But whatever, 2000 was defo much heavier than the last time I was at Reading.

You really don't have a point, as the Reading lineups throughout the year's have been evenly spread, even last year I count at least 21 acts on the 2 big stages who wouldn't look out of place at Download, which is close to the same number at Reading before Download even started.

I do have a point, you're just getting it. Oh well, never mind.

[thejimbola]

Leeds 2002 (the year before Download started) was filled with "Download bands" and is still one of the best festival lineups I have seen.

[thegremlin_1999]

all the same year, with other similar acts on the bill? Nope.

That's the difference between back then and now.

2001 possibly the heaviest? Can I point out that I first went to Reading in the early 80s?

I'm pretty sure those bands were 2000, tho I may be wrong. But whatever, 2000 was defo much heavier than the last time I was at Reading.

I do have a point, you're just getting it. Oh well, never mind.

[Black_Crow]

all the same year, with other similar acts on the bill? Nope.

That's the difference between back then and now.

I'm pretty sure those bands were 2000, tho I may be wrong. But whatever, 2000 was defo much heavier than the last time I was at Reading.

I do have a point, you're just getting it. Oh well, never mind.

[eFestivals]

Yes those bands were 2000, that was never in doubt, the reason why those 3 wouldn't be on the same lineup anymore is because 2 of those would headline, Reading would never have 2 metal headliners anymore.

If you want proof of a Reading lineup since Download started with similar bands to those you mentioned, how about Reading 06 - Slayer, Bullet For My Valentine, Killswitch Engage, Mastodon, Coheed & Cambria etc or how about Reading 08 - Metallica, Slipknot, Rage Against The Machine, Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet For My Valentine, Serj Tankian etc

Face it, you have no arguement.

when rock was the rage in the past, the reading bill was stuffed full of rock.

Rock's the rage again, so where's the stuffed full of rock line-up at Reading this year?

Yeah, I've got no argument.

[AcademicPistol]

R&L 2000 - 2002 had loads of 'Downloady' acts high up on the bill.

Then Download started in 2003.

[Andre91]

On the topic of 2013 headliners, Blink-182 would be a good option I think. Saw them last night and they were unrecognizable to the band who played Reading & Leeds in 2010. They were really on form. And for the record, The All-American Rejects were great too. And The Blackout... Well the less said about them the better

[2rare2die]

Yeah Blink were awesome last night, and I'd definitely take them as a headliner on that form! But what was AARs singer on?! Lol

Edited July 12, 2012 by 2rare2die

[Black_Crow]

when rock was the rage in the past, the reading bill was stuffed full of rock.

Rock's the rage again, so where's the stuffed full of rock line-up at Reading this year?

Yeah, I've got no argument.

[2rare2die]

Yawn