abdoujaparov Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Indeed. He realises straight away. 30 seconds later he was shaking their hands in an apologetic manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 (I dont like football much....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) Talk about clutching at straws.No comment on your misunderstandings of the rules still...No clutching at anything, no misunderstanding.In the France WC, Beckham went for the ball, fouled, and then kicked the player. What was he sent off for, the foul or the kick? Two dissociated actions, two different phases of the incident. The ref took his pick of what offence to use against him (or alternatively, used the biggest).If you think that Nani deliberately kicked him at the end of the incident (which some angles suggest might have been the case) then that's also two dissociated actions, two different phases of the incident.That would be violent conduct, and a straight red.Until the ref says what the card was for, that can't be discounted. Edited March 6, 2013 by eFestivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 The two incidents are completely different. Nani catches him whilst going for the ball. Beckham aimed his kick long after the ball had gone in a fit of rage. Beckham wasn't challenging for the ball, therefore violent conduct. In a similar way a punch is violent conduct. The only way through the correct use of the rule book the referee can send Nani off is if he believes Nani has used excessive force which is serious foul play. He 100% cannot be sent off through correct usage of the rules via playing in a dangerous manner. Which is what you claimed your opinion was due to something a TV presenter said, or through your misunderstanding of what he said, and not through knowledge of the laws - as you have admitted you don't know them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdoujaparov Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Which begs the question why get involved in this thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 The two incidents are completely different. Nani catches him whilst going for the ball. Beckham aimed his kick long after the ball had gone in a fit of rage.If that Nani kick is being seen as a deliberate kick, then they're not completely different. The only real difference is the time before any initial offence and that violent conduct.I'm far from sure that it's a deliberate kick, but it also looks like there wasn't any reason for him to do that - it would be far more natural to keep your leg in once it was in and not kick out (but I realise that factors such as balance or movement, or him having his studs hooked in the other guy's shirt, etc, could be in play). So it could be being taken as a deliberate kick by the ref.If it is being seen as that deliberate kick, then that would not be being thought of as any part of the rest of the coming-together. It was a deliberate thing which didn't need to happen, and therefore could not have been a consequence of the anything of the coming together (aside from that causing them to be in range of each other). It would be a separate thing from that coming together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Because I watched the game and had an opinion. Good enough, or do I need to pass a test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Diverting a bit... A few pundits/ex-professionals are bringing up the fact that this referee sent Terry off against Barca. I don't see how that's relevant to arguing about the Nani decision though. Terry's red card was beyond any doubt whatsoever. It just seems like a ridiculous way to try and get this 'conspiracy against the English' mentality up for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdoujaparov Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Just wondered why you bothered if you don't like football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex_George Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Diverting a bit... A few pundits/ex-professionals are bringing up the fact that this referee sent Terry off against Barca. I don't see how that's relevant to arguing about the Nani decision though. Terry's red card was beyond any doubt whatsoever. It just seems like a ridiculous way to try and get this 'conspiracy against the English' mentality up for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I believe the ref got the decision wrong within the rules of the game and the context of the match. It was just highly frustrating that it turned the game on its head and stopped it from being a great match between two equals, to a game where ManUtd had to sit back and defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Diverting a bit... A few pundits/ex-professionals are bringing up the fact that this referee sent Terry off against Barca. I don't see how that's relevant to arguing about the Nani decision though. Terry's red card was beyond any doubt whatsoever. It just seems like a ridiculous way to try and get this 'conspiracy against the English' mentality up for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 The impression I have got from the media today is it was fine that madrid got punished for an officiating error but scandalous that the same thing happened to man utd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 The only relevance to me is showing that a red card doesnt have to mean inevitable defeat, as you said the 2 incidents were very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesecretingredientiscrime Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I really don't understand the "common sense/anyone who's played the game" stuff thrown at referees. If a referee uses common sense or makes a call in the context of the game, great, but that's not what we should be demanding as its not their job. It reminds me of people saying the ref in the League Cup final should have used "common sense" and not sent the Bradford keeper off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I really don't understand the "common sense/anyone who's played the game" stuff thrown at referees. If a referee uses common sense or makes a call in the context of the game, great, but that's not what we should be demanding as its not their job. It reminds me of people saying the ref in the League Cup final should have used "common sense" and not sent the Bradford keeper off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strummer77 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Think this whole debate is a bit stupid (not just on here but everywhere). It was a big decision but it doesn't deserve as much scrutiny as it is getting. Yes it was harsh but you can see either way why it is or isn't. A mistake at worst, a brave justifiable decision at best. Some fans are making out it was the worst decision of all time, when you probably get a debatable decision like that every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Think this whole debate is a bit stupid (not just on here but everywhere). It was a big decision but it doesn't deserve as much scrutiny as it is getting. Yes it was harsh but you can see either way why it is or isn't. A mistake at worst, a brave justifiable decision at best. Some fans are making out it was the worst decision of all time, when you probably get a debatable decision like that every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strummer77 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Totally agree strummer, could of gone either way and you just get on with it. Players have got sent of for alot less, some have stopped on the field for alot more. Its football it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I have certainly seen worse go for and against United. I suppose tensions were high, but that is how it is. Test of character now for the players. Bounce back or stutter? I am sure your manager will see it as the idea time to work out who has the balls to play for United long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strummer77 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Im sure they will be fine, united should be used to being knocked out of the champions league and its rafa next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Out of interest when was the last time man u went 2 seasons in a row without getting to the qf of the champions league, it seems like ages but someone may easily prove me wrong! As a neutral I cant remember looking forward to a europa league game as much as spurs v inter tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strummer77 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Out of interest when was the last time man u went 2 seasons in a row without getting to the qf of the champions league, it seems like ages but someone may easily prove me wrong! As a neutral I cant remember looking forward to a europa league game as much as spurs v inter tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 I remember they got knocked out to Milan when we won it, then went out early the following year. So 06? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strummer77 Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Think so yeah. Fergie really thought he had a chance this year. As did most people. But fuck it, give me the league any year instead. Improving though. Current squad is the best squad we've had since Ronnie and kettleneck left. Edited March 7, 2013 by strummer77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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