T in the Park 2013

[Jagerman]

Topper of a video from the Slam Tent when the BBC camera's still used to record in there.

[Gparsfan]

Bless. you know that saying where it's best to be quiet and let people think that you are stupid rather than open your mouth and prove it? That's you, that is.

Eaves is Glastonbury if that's who you meant but his surname is Eavis anyways.

My point, which you clearly are incapable of understanding, has nothing to do with my age and more to do with the FACT that after arguing that everything over 20 years old is "old man music" and not suitable for T, all of a sudden some artists are. My point all along is that quality is quality and it doesn't matter how old it is. The Beatles, Elvis or Hendrix would sell out festivals nowadays. I'm really loving your little internal argument at the end about whether you know SOAD songs or not, initially disagreeing but then agreeing. Are you from Fife? They tend to gob off first and then think later.

[Comfy Bean]

I know its all guess work at this stage but would the smart money be on the Killers playing Sunday ?

[devilman]

You sound like you need a sit down and a nice cup of tea young fella. You need to get that blood pressure under control or you won't make it to my age. Mumfords shouldn't be there because they aren't quality, will never be quality and are a bunch of piss taking posh twats. Their bubble will burst soon enough.

If missing points was an olympic event you would have more medals than Wiggins. I'll try and put it in little words so you can understand though. Good music is good music. If that good music was made in the 60s or 70s it will still be good music in the 20teens. It's a shame that most new listeners only become aware of it through talentless button pushers sampling it a nicking it for their own stuff but at least the kids do get to hear it.

This is a completely different subject to bands just not having the experience under their belts to deliver at headline level. Hope this helps.

[tori1607]

I know its all guess work at this stage but would the smart money be on the Killers playing Sunday ?

[blue6field]

I know its all guess work at this stage but would the smart money be on the Killers playing Sunday ?

[Comfy Bean]

Killers - Sunday.... Thankyou.

[frankblack]

You sound like you need a sit down and a nice cup of tea young fella. You need to get that blood pressure under control or you won't make it to my age. Mumfords shouldn't be there because they aren't quality, will never be quality and are a bunch of piss taking posh twats. Their bubble will burst soon enough.

If missing points was an olympic event you would have more medals than Wiggins. I'll try and put it in little words so you can understand though. Good music is good music. If that good music was made in the 60s or 70s it will still be good music in the 20teens. It's a shame that most new listeners only become aware of it through talentless button pushers sampling it a nicking it for their own stuff but at least the kids do get to hear it.

This is a completely different subject to bands just not having the experience under their belts to deliver at headline level. Hope this helps.

[Gingo]

As it stands the current lineup at T is shit and thats showing in the ticket sales. You really would have expected T to do something special for their 20th. I'm glad I've not paid for it, and with the headliners announced I'm not expecting much in February's announcement other than more of the same.

[Red Day]

I'll change it from "taken it too heart" to "Absolutely fucking raging that you're turning old".

Much more appropriate considering your response.

I said I knew it, difference being that I am not "everyone", fact is 90% of youngsters would not know it, why would they?

Quality doesn't matter how old it is? then why were you saying earlier that Mumford and Sons haven't been around long enough to headline? after all gramps, quality doesn't matter how old it is.

Meh, I got Eaves and Ellis mixed up, not nearly as bad as contradicting myself from page to page.

You just leave this music malarky to the young ones gramps, it's for the best.

[Pokeybumwanker]

It's only early January and the competition for the most stupid post of the year is over. Jeez Gar have a think before you press the post button[

Aha just what I was thinking.

Edited January 13, 2013 by Pokeybumwanker

[Muppetmark]

any chance on blondie? i knwo shes in london the week before but she doesnt have anything till amsterdamn a month later

[Gingo]

any chance on blondie? i knwo shes in london the week before but she doesnt have anything till amsterdamn a month later

[Gparsfan]

You sound like you need a sit down and a nice cup of tea young fella. You need to get that blood pressure under control or you won't make it to my age. Mumfords shouldn't be there because they aren't quality, will never be quality and are a bunch of piss taking posh twats. Their bubble will burst soon enough.

[Gparsfan]

So er, is anyone actually going to dispute any of the points in my post? I won't hold my breath.

[frankblack]

At which point did I say that any band was better based on age? What an absolutely ridiculous post.

And at which point did I say Mumfords would be a better headliner than Bowie? Dear o dear.

As it stands the current lineup for T is great if you like the music, the ticket sales are suffering from a gradual decline in interest in festivals and in general people not having much money.

Don't let facts get in the way if your nonsense though.

[eFestivals]

Oh dear. Now you are trying to twist the argument and pretend you said something else.

Time for you to log off and listen to your kiddie pop records. The festival is struggling to sell tickets purely because of how terrible the bands booked are. If you visit any other forum discussing T you will find that overwhelming general opinion.

They have succeeded in driving away the long term T goers by booking awful bands two years in a row and now can't sell their tickets. Pretty simple.

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. It says nothing of whether they're right even if lots of people have the same opinion.

The simple fact is that demand for T was dropping significantly even before the line-up of the last two years - which gets to show that the line-ups that people like you probably consider to be 'good' were not keeping demand at the same level as it was.

So the question is: is it the line-ups of the last two years that have caused it to not sell out, or would it have done that anyway?

A quick look at other fests strongly suggests that the 'pop' line-ups of the last two years have held ticket sales up rather than caused them to drop - because the getting-poppier-all-the-time V fest has had its sales hold up the best and the stayed-the-same Reading & Leeds has seen its sales fall the most (of the 3 biggest fests).

Just because those poppier line-ups have repelled some people who would have previously gone doesn't prove anything.

Edited January 14, 2013 by eFestivals

[devilman]

I can't be arsed putting up the figures again as you never read them and just spout some made up bollox about checking the sales yourself over the years but never actually making a note of it. Therefore

[eFestivals]

I can't be arsed putting up the figures again as you never read them and just spout some made up bollox about checking the sales yourself over the years but never actually making a note of it.

the only thing I didn't make an note of is the exact times it took to sell out with each sale. I still noted more about each sale than you did.

What I did absolutely note was that each sale took longer to sell out, and that it became easier to get a ticket each year in recent years.

Given that it's guaranteed that Ticketmaster's sales system wasn't getting slower over the years, that gets to mean that demand was lessening over the years.

Dismiss those facts via your failure to notice much at all if you like, even tho that puts all your other thoughts about T as wrong as well.

[redmicky]

With Biffy Clyro gonna play Reading / Leads , what's the chance of an appearance at T ??

[Gingo]

With Biffy Clyro gonna play Reading / Leads , what's the chance of an appearance at T ??

[devilman]

the only thing I didn't make an note of is the exact times it took to sell out with each sale. I still noted more about each sale than you did.

What I did absolutely note was that each sale took longer to sell out, and that it became easier to get a ticket each year in recent years.

Given that it's guaranteed that Ticketmaster's sales system wasn't getting slower over the years, that gets to mean that demand was lessening over the years.

Dismiss those facts via your failure to notice much at all if you like, even tho that puts all your other thoughts about T as wrong as well.

[eFestivals]

2010 Early birds sold out as did the main sale in Feb in 90 mins.

2011 early birds sold out 3 Dec, main sale in Feb in under an hour.

you're talking shite. The early birds haven't sold out for years, they've been taken off sale.

Have you bought a ticket every year?

yes (or at least, got to the point where I could get one). It's got easier each year in recent years.

nor does the evidence available.

as the evidence you're using is laughable - cosd it claims the early birds sold out - that's where you're going wrong.

I don't doubt that your view of the bigger festival picture is correct but T bucked the trend.

My view with those other fests is correct. Even you're not daft enough to question that solid evidence which goes against everything you claim for T.

Why do you think T bucked the trend then? Are Scottish people in some sort of indie-landfill hell, where they just can't stop listening to much poorer versions of poor 80s songs?

Edited January 14, 2013 by eFestivals

[LondonTom]

Why do you think T bucked the trend then? Are Scottish people in some sort of indie-landfill hell, where they just can't stop listening to much poorer versions of poor 80s songs?

[thewayiam]

Doesnt make them any more or less likely, would love to see them heading Nme but with them headlining elsewhere that would be some coup