T in the Park 2013

[Chiefski]

Why do you think T bucked the trend then? Are Scottish people in some sort of indie-landfill hell, where they just can't stop listening to much poorer versions of poor 80s songs?

[Gingo]

you can add the fact though that it's been said some at least of the subs/NME headers for T can headline other festivals. Biffy headlining a festival makes it a chance.

[Gingo]

As much as it is a joke, alot in my area are, sick of seeing Shed Seven being booked every year

[devilman]

The bit you keep ignoring is that Scottish people went because it was T! It was their festival. Repeat goers that went for the occasion and rewarded with varied and balanced line ups. T has taken it for granted and taken the piss. I posted evidence. Ok it's from Wiki but it's all cited from T's own releases. Fact is before 2012 you couldn't buy a weekend camping ticket after the release in Feb. In 2012 when there was less stages with more pop on the line up and oft repeated headliners (bar the Roses) you could buy tickets on the thursday we went in. You claim solid evidence but post none. Go on, just a little bit would be nice.

[devilman]

Shed Seven can continue to be booked every year, excellent band that dont take up a big spot

[Pokeybumwanker]

So er, is anyone actually going to dispute any of the points in my post? I won't hold my breath.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Pokeybumwanker

[Pokeybumwanker]

Aye always a good singalong. They play real instruments too.

[Pokeybumwanker]

On a lighter note I'm really hoping for OCS there new single is great , they always go down well at T

[Gparsfan]

Oh dear. Now you are trying to twist the argument and pretend you said something else.

Time for you to log off and listen to your kiddie pop records. The festival is struggling to sell tickets purely because of how terrible the bands booked are. If you visit any other forum discussing T you will find that overwhelming general opinion.

They have succeeded in driving away the long term T goers by booking awful bands two years in a row and now can't sell their tickets. Pretty simple.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Gparsfan

[Gparsfan]

Latest rumour going around Fife atm aswell is that SHM have been offered £700,000 to make T their last ever British gig. I've not idea where the specific money total has came from, don't shoot the messenger etc.

Would be surprised if it happened but having SHM, Biffy and someone else headlining the NME would be very strong.

[Pokeybumwanker]

I am more than happy for you to point where I've tried to pretend I've said something else, all you need to do is use the multi-quote function. Seeing as you're lying though I won't be holding my breath Awful bands? Mumford and Sons, Rhianna and The Killers, realistically you'll struggle to see 3 stronger head-liners than that, all three of them are coming of the back of releasing number one albums, all three of them easily sell out arenas and it could be argued that The Killers and Rhianna could sell out stadiums with the amount of fans they both posses. Edited to add:-While a "legend" headliner like Bowie would've been tremendous, they just aren't around atm.I'm surprised Bon Jovi never got picked but meh. Good to see you sticking by your word Devilaman, wouldn't be like you to contradict yourself would it? 2011, you could buy them the week before on ticketmaster. Likewise 2010... The demand for tickets has been dropping for years, each year it's been getting easier and easier to buy tickets.While it was still selling out up until 2011 there were less and less people going for tickets.For example you might have found that in 2011, 85,000 people went in for tickets, obviously everyone would've got one, but rewind about 5 years? When festivals were at there peak and you would have had (again just a rough figure used for illustrating a point) about 150,000 people going in for tickets, obviously it will sell out difference is it's much harder to buy a ticket. Festivals are on the decline, T has done better than most due to it moving on with the times and adopting a more "poppier" line up, you haven't moved on with the times and you don't like the current music scene. That's just life, I'll probably find in 20 years time I don't like the music scene, that's life though, better to accept it rather than live in denial. Ah so you have no evidence nor proof? instead you just came on, threw around a few insults with nothing to back it up, what a terribly sad state of affairs your life must be tbh.

[Deeps]

indie-landfill

[devilman]

It's like watching a little labrador puppy yapping and wagging its tail at the TV.

[Gingo]

Latest rumour going around Fife atm aswell is that SHM have been offered £700,000 to make T their last ever British gig. I've not idea where the specific money total has came from, don't shoot the messenger etc.

Would be surprised if it happened but having SHM, Biffy and someone else headlining the NME would be very strong.

[Gparsfan]

SHM for a third time in a row in the same spot really cant see it

[LondonTom]

Neither can I, just reporting on what's been said.

On one hand it wouldn't make sense, on the other it would be a massive draw for allot of people who wouldn't have even considered going to T.

[Gparsfan]

As much i hate to say it SHM are a massive draw, I know "not really into music fans" who go over Europe to see their shows!

I thought the MK Bowl was their last UK gigs and they was packing it all in last year? (Maybe thats why everyone is following them around, going to the last ever gig!)

[eFestivals]

I posted evidence. Ok it's from Wiki but it's all cited from T's own releases.

which are lies much of the time.

The evidence i'm giving you is evidence with the lies removed. The good evidence and not the made-up "let's make ourselves look more popular then we actually are".

You love to bang on about Geoff is a worthless c**t, but then you put complete belief in his propaganda.

Fact is before 2012 you couldn't buy a weekend camping ticket after the release in Feb. In 2012 when there was less stages with more pop on the line up and oft repeated headliners (bar the Roses) you could buy tickets on the thursday we went in. You claim solid evidence but post none. Go on, just a little bit would be nice.

I'm giving you the reality, and not the bullshit. If you like I can go and edit wiki to say what I say is the truth and present that to you as evidence? It would be as good as your own.

(I'm not that sad tho. If you want to be stupid you're welcome to be ).

Just because it failed to sell out in 2012 says nothing of why it failed to sell out. Going by the false logic you're using it would be no less reasonable for me to say that Reading/Leeds failed to sell out because T had too much pop on it's bill - that's how remote your (lack of) logic is from anything meaningful.

The point I keep repeating is that demand was falling for around 5 years before T had that 'pop' on the bill. You might choose to think that wrong, but I took the effort to observe and saw that trend happening.

In the first year that T offered tickets for sale immediately after the fest, how long did it take for those tickets to sell out? How long did they take the next year? And the next? And the next?

They got slower and slower, and then failed to sell out at all - long before the pop you hate appearred on the bill, and all while the pop you love that you say sells tickets was still being served up. What does your 'evidence' say of those true facts???

[eFestivals]

It's like watching a little labrador puppy yapping and wagging its tail at the TV.

and listening to you is like watching the most stupid man in the world boasting about just how clever he is. I wonder if a more simple consideration might help you?

If the indie-landfill you love would still sell T tickets, how come it can't sell records or it's own tour tickets anymore?

[mrtourette]

I can't believe that this retarded argument is still going when it's clear the two of you are like stubborn old bison continuing to butt heads because that's all you know how to do (there's a lot of love in that description by the way ).

T's sales would have gone down whether they'd stuck with what they were doing (popular indie) or tried something different (popular pop), because that's what's happening with festival sales and there are far greater factors that affect festivals other than the line-up. Trying to prove what may have had the greatest effect on the slide in sales or whether more sales would be generated by old loyal fans than new ones is like fitting wheels to a tomato.

To borrow a quote from someone else:

I've got to say, this is one of the most pointless and poorly argued discussions I've ever read on this forum, and I hang out in the R+L section

[eFestivals]

T's sales would have gone down whether they'd stuck with what they were doing (popular indie) or tried something different (popular pop), because that's what's happening with festival sales and there are far greater factors that affect festivals other than the line-up.

this and only this is what i've been saying.

I've merely suggested that the sales might have held up better because of the more modern stuff that was on the line-up last year than they otherwise would have done if it had stuck to serving up mostly indie-landfill.

And I've suggested that because the more modern stuff is selling many more tickets now for normal gigs than the indie landfill bands are - which strongly suggests that the same will apply with T sales.

Devilman insists that T tickets no longer sell out because of that modern stuff. Despite his claims of evidence for his view he's offered up no evidence at all for that, the only thing he's offered up is some lies &/or misinterpretation about how the sales have gone in the years before 2012.

[thewayiam]

paramore, biffy clyro and bloc party to sub, thou that bloc could be 3rd,

[harryomatic]

SHM agaaaiin??? Urrrr. Please no.

[Gingo]

I just cant get past the fact that with this years more poppy headliners and acts and with a lot more announced than usual that there hasnt been the usual "thats us sold out our pre sale allotment" line from TITP, whether that had been true in the past or not. Now im not saying that is solely the reason but it seems more than coincidence that having announced these acts which all, for various reasons, have massive appeal to a lot of people and are still struggling to sell tickets.

TITP has always been about variety that cant be denied, the only difference was that in the past the majority of acts could be classed as indie (landfill) or even more towards rock and despite there being a lot more of it in the past (indie) there was never a lack a pop whether good or bad and it was kept to a small selection of acts that were either cheesy fun or half decent.

V has kept its sales up more, i reckon, as it is in a larger country that gives a lot of choice for festivals, dl for rock fans, r/l for rock/indie, v for pop to name but a few, whereas T relies on Scottish fans buying tickets for the most part and there will only be so many that enjoy a lot of pop and most of them are young people (13-17) that probably dont even go to festivals. Also Rockness has become more competition and the amount of pop acts they have is minimal and although they have strayed slightly from its dance roots it has delved into rock/indie and is becoming increasingly popular.

Obviously there are a lot of factors but i feel if the variety doesnt become skewed back away from pop (which is a turn off for a lot of people when they see it) as i dont think the consumer base in Scotland is large enough to support a pop festival

[eFestivals]

I just cant get past the fact that with this years more poppy headliners and acts and with a lot more announced than usual that there hasnt been the usual "thats us sold out our pre sale allotment" line from TITP, whether that had been true in the past or not. Now im not saying that is solely the reason but it seems more than coincidence that having announced these acts which all, for various reasons, have massive appeal to a lot of people and are still struggling to sell tickets.

everywhere is struggling to sell tickets no matter which bands they are putting on. The fest which has stuck most rigidly to giving the same sorts of line-ups to previously is Reading/Leeds, and that's also (of the 3 big commercial fests) the one whose sales have dipped the most. The one whose sales have held up the most is the one that gone 'pop' the most - V Fest. A smart brain can work it out from that.

Regarding the early birds still being on sale this year, R/L has done the same. I think it's simply that in the days of non-sellouts they're giving the most opportunity they can for people to buy tickets to their fest. If they take them off sale and someone decides they want to do a fest and buy their tickets now they're losing the opportunity to sell tickets to that person - which would be rather daft.

TITP has always been about variety that cant be denied,

Erm, it can.

While it's normally presented the most variety of the 3 big fests - as much to do with its geographical position as anything else (it doesn't have a similar fest on its doorstep as V & R/L do with each other) - that variety has still been almost 100% pop bands (as in 'currently popular'), which has never interested the likes of me. I can find enough that I don't mind seeing if there working, but never enough that would have me part with my money.

It's still serving up 'currently popular', so while the likes of Devilman claim it's changed (and it has, it's moved away from indie landfill), to the likes of me it's still serving up the same thing as it always has - pop music for the kids, because the kids like pop music as they've always done.

the only difference was that in the past the majority of acts could be classed as indie (landfill) or even more towards rock and despite there being a lot more of it in the past (indie) there was never a lack a pop whether good or bad and it was kept to a small selection of acts that were either cheesy fun or half decent.

that indie landfill was still pop tho. It was what the kids were going out and buying, no less to today's different generation of kids who are buying the likes of Rihanna.