T in the Park 2013

[devilman]

I can't see a live nation owned-fest teaming up with a fest that competes against another live nation fest.

[marky3]

Franz Ferdinand headlining NME would be a perfect counter to Rihanna.

They've been recording that new album for ages so they better get their act together!

[thetime]

Plenty:

Arctic Monkeys

At The Drive-In

Biffy Clyro

The Black Keys

Blink-182

Bloc Party

Blur

Brand New

Cage The Elephant

Editors

Feeder

Foo Fighters

Franz Ferdinand

Frightened Rabbit

The Gaslight Anthem

Green Day

The Hives

Jack White

Jimmy Eat World

Kaiser Chiefs

Kids In Glass Houses

Lostprophets (something tells me they won't be appearing at festivals any time soon)

Mastodon

Muse

Paramore

Pulled Apart By Horses

Queens Of The Stone Age

Stereophonics

Twin Atlantic

We Are Scientists

Young Guns

Obviously not all those could headline NME, but the argument that there just aren't good guitar bands out there is rubbish.

[devilman]

Please name a band from any genre that has less than 5 years experience and could command a headline or sub spot. Sure there's lots of people with laptops who can press play on one they did earlier but I meant real musicians.

[thetime]

Please name a band from any genre that has less than 5 years experience and could command a headline or sub spot. Sure there's lots of people with laptops who can press play on one they did earlier but I meant real musicians.

[eFestivals]

Where are the heroes the kids can worship?

they're quite happy worshipping the bands that devilman (and now presumably you?) say don't count for your own deliberations.

Which is of course where things go so very wrong with those deliberations.

[Paul ™]

Please name a band from any genre that has less than 5 years experience and could command a headline or sub spot

[eFestivals]

TITP have booked the obvious one, Mumford & Sons.

and another obvious one, Rihanna.

This T thread is rapidly turning into the equivalent of Reading threads from 12 years ago .... but instead of the youngsters going "where's all the metal", it's got a bunch of dad's moaning that they don't know &/or like the acts on the bill.

There's a clue there somewhere for some people. But it just won't sink into their brains for some reason.

Edited December 20, 2012 by eFestivals

[devilman]

TITP have booked the obvious one, Mumford & Sons.

[devilman]

and another obvious one, Rihanna.

This T thread is rapidly turning into the equivalent of Reading threads from 12 years ago .... but instead of the youngsters going "where's all the metal", it's got a bunch of dad's moaning that they don't know &/or like the acts on the bill.

There's a clue there somewhere for some people. But it just won't sink into their brains for some reason.

[eFestivals]

Yep. Whether they actually deserve a headline slot remains to be seen. Going from King Tuts to headlining main based on sales to stupid Americans desperate for some connection to their celtic roots is a big risk. We'll see where they are in another 5 years eh?

so their massive UK sales count for nothing then?

As for where they are in 5 years, what does that matter? It's the opinion of them now that counts.

But if you apply that "where are they in five years" to all the indie landfill bands of the last 15 years, where are they all now?

Or even quite a lot of the bands who have headlined T over the last 12 years.

[eFestivals]

Yadda yadda. T has changed, T has never changed. T has changed but is phasing things in slowly. Make your mind up.

i'd made up my mind the first time I said what I've said consistently, and which makes perfect sense (even if they don't agree with it) to just about everyone but you.

Seeing as you can't grasp the simple idea behind what I'm saying, it's no wonder that you're unable to grasp anything of what I'm saying - all you do all the time is show that you're utterly unable to understand* a simple and consistent idea.

(* understanding something is different to agreeing with something. You're showing you're in need of that level of explanation).

When pop stylee T falls on its arse I shall stand there laughing about how it sold out in 90 mins in 2010 when they last had a proper line up. And when they book those kind of bands again I suppose your line will be that pop has changed direction again and T is just following the trends. You could play Devil's Advocate for England

Pop stylee T hasn't fallen on its arse for all of the last 20 years, so if it falls on its arse now it won't be anything to do with pop.

Meanwhile, rock style Reading has fallen on its arse at just the same time as T has.

But of course that's completely unrelated.

[thetime]

so their massive UK sales count for nothing then?

As for where they are in 5 years, what does that matter? It's the opinion of them now that counts.

But if you apply that "where are they in five years" to all the indie landfill bands of the last 15 years, where are they all now?

Or even quite a lot of the bands who have headlined T over the last 12 years.

[eFestivals]

travis anyone

it's a long long list, it's not just travis.

[thewayiam]

The fact that mumfords are fake folk says nothing about their massive popularity amongst those who would deem their tastes as credible.

As for the rest, I'm seeing no change in target audience or booking policy, I'm only seeing t respond to musical fashions as its always done - else it wouldn't have been stuffed full of indie landfill for years, cos that was the fashion too.

[Deeps]

The popular act has moved from Indie/Rock fill to this so the booking and billing has.

That's where I see it anyway

[Paul ™]

and another obvious one, Rihanna.

[devilman]

Seeing as you can't grasp the simple idea behind what I'm saying, it's no wonder that you're unable to grasp anything of what I'm saying - all you do all the time is show that you're utterly unable to understand* a simple and consistent idea.

[devilman]

I was going to say her, but she has been about longer than 5 years am sure.

[eFestivals]

I was going to say her, but she has been about longer than 5 years am sure.

touch and go I think - she was about 18 when she had her first hit, and I think she's 23 now.

... goes off to wiki/google....

[eFestivals]

touch and go I think - she was about 18 when she had her first hit, and I think she's 23 now.

... goes off to wiki/google....

ahhhh .... 7 years.

She's outlasted many indie landfill bands.

[eFestivals]

I understand perfectly every time you change your angle.

which only gets to prove yet again that you've failed to understand the consistent angle I've presented.

[LondonTom]

Meanwhile, rock style Reading has fallen on its arse at just the same time as T has.

But of course that's completely unrelated.

[Muppetmark]

i know i'm a few hours (and pages late) but on the oxygen website its says "Wishing everyone a very Happy Christmas & peaceful New Year.

Keep Rockin’ in 2012 and we will see you in 2013!" and elsewhere on the site it says it'll be back in july 2013 so T will still have that shared payday.

[eFestivals]

Maybe they have just lost alot of the mainstream fans in general rather than "rawk!" fans Since they've been expanding pretty much continuously over the last 10 years, maybe its just those who were part of the "festival fad" that have dropped away and that festivals/acts are going have to live with the fact they are going have to make less money with fans who do want to turn up and listen to live music and downsize.

yup, exactly that - tho I suspect they'll try their hardest to not downsize. Festivals have fallen out of fashion; it was always going to happen.

And that's why the drop off in sales isn't anything specifically to do with T booking (for example) Nicki Minaj and the like last year - demand would have been down almost* regardless of who they booked.

(* it's not an absolute, cos some acts always sell better than other acts [irrespective of genres])