Would it be 'wrong' to choose to be gay?

[feral chile]

having re-read the article, I'm more confused. He really seems to be revelling in something... not sure what...

But my query still stands... I'd thought about it before. In fact, I've been thinking about how much of what we are might be choices. I think of the whole idea of losing your ego, and everything that goes with it, to the point where you are almost nothing... sometimes I feel like I'm almost there, and I get scared by the concept that I could be anyone I want to, because it means that ultimately I'm nothing. It can also a liberating thing. But then I think of how others would percieve me... my family, my kids... if I'm nothing then what am I to them? I'm just a series of actions (that I choose to do).

[feral chile]

who cares if it's choice or not?

Whichever one it is, it's the exact same thing for straights too, and whichever way a person goes it has absolutely no effect onto other people.

So there's absolutely no reason for there to be any differences in law or attitudes. It's only the bigots who think there needs to be.

[feral chile]

If its "hardwired" why do some people swing from different things.... Its clearly not that simple if you look at the people around us... Maybe it is for some, but its defo not for others...

There are people who where once gay and are now not... People out there who didn't think they where gay and now are... Some went as far as being married with kids for a vast number of years and I don't buy they disliked their partner during that time while they spawned three kids.

It would suggest its not all that hard wired...

[eFestivals]

It's not just active homophobes that's the problem

It is, tho they don't believe themselves to be homophobes.

Anyone who believes that marriage is 'reserved' only for a man or a woman is a homophobe. Marriage is simply a social contract, that has never been owned by any religious group or even all religions as a whole.

[feral chile]

It is, tho they don't believe themselves to be homophobes.

Anyone who believes that marriage is 'reserved' only for a man or a woman is a homophobe. Marriage is simply a social contract, that has never been owned by any religious group or even all religions as a whole.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I had a bisexual friend who thought that everyone could swing both ways, but that some repressed the urge to the extent they didn't acknowledge it even to themselves.

It shouldn't matter what sex you are really, should it, you're still the same person.

[jump]

A lot of gay guys are friends with straight women but why are lesbians and straight men rarely friends to the same degree?

Obviously friendship isn't just about sexual orientation. Do gay men embrace general feminine interests more than lesbians do with (generally) masculine interests?

[feral chile]

I'm a staright male and one of my closest friends (probably closest since a few of my friends have moved in the last year or 2) is a lesbian, a few lesbians I know actually have male friends as apparently "men are easier to get along with than girls who are constantly bitchy".

[feral chile]

Happy for anyone to call me what they want but I am still not comfortable with the concept of allowing gay and lesbian coupes to adopt and foster.

Happy for grown adults to engage as they see fit but there are issues that still make me uncomfortable as treating their relationships as the same as a man and women and really don't care what nasty names I get called for feeling uncomfortable about giving someone something nature never intended.

[zero000]

It's two fold...

I belive the best family setup is a good man and a women raising a child. I can give you a lot of reasoning for this. Not saying you would agree....

Gay men and lesbian women can not biologically create a child. The laws of nature does not allow it. So it seems unnatural to me. It's going against that to give them a child. For less explainable reasons it makes me uncomfortable.

It's nothing to do with hate and bigotry.... Althought you might disagree I don't feel it is.

[zero000]

Fair point but you still haven't addressed the issue of there being little differences in the children they raise.

[eFestivals]

Happy for anyone to call me what they want but I am still not comfortable with the concept of allowing gay and lesbian coupes to adopt and foster.

Happy for grown adults to engage as they see fit and even have some legal standing in the line of a civil partnership but there are issues that still make me uncomfortable as treating their relationships as the same as a man and women and really don't care what nasty names I get called for feeling uncomfortable about giving someone something nature never intended.

Go against the irrefutable facts if you want to. That only makes you stupid.

If nature never intended same sex couples, you have to wonder why some individuals of just about every animal species in nature indulges in same sex acts of physical intimacy.

And putting that aside, who invented marriage itself? Was it nature, or is it a human construct? It's of course a human construct, and so that makes it clear that humans have at some point in the past said marriage is for man/woman, based on their own ideas at that time. Are all ideas of the past perfect, or are very many of them known to have been constructed around the ignorance of man at that moment in time?

And finally, if a same sex relationship is different to a mixed sex relationship, care to tell me how it's different so that it requires a different status? The fact that you personally define it by the gender of the people involved does not make that relationship anything different.

Would you like your username changed to Barry the Bigot? I can do that for you if you'd like.

[eFestivals]

Gay men and lesbian women can not biologically create a child. The laws of nature does not allow it. So it seems unnatural to me. It's going against that to give them a child. For less explainable reasons it makes me uncomfortable.

It's nothing to do with hate and bigotry.... Althought you might disagree I don't feel it is.

It's definitely bigotry unless you also advocate the removal of a child from its mother or father if the other parent has died. That's no less going against your idea of a 'natural' upbringing having to be done by a mix of man and woman.

[abdoujaparov]

Well first off I don't know ANY children with gay parents do you?

[abdoujaparov]

It's definitely bigotry unless you also advocate the removal of a child from its mother or father if the other parent has died. That's no less going against your idea of a 'natural' upbringing having to be done by a mix of man and woman.

[zero000]

Well first off I don't know ANY children with gay parents do you?

[feral chile]

Well first off I don't know ANY children with gay parents do you?

[abdoujaparov]

Forgive me but I don't belive anything you say....

[feral chile]

Well first off I don't know ANY children with gay parents do you?

[jump]

I find it easier to relate to males. Though the bitchy thing, while it can be true, I've come across quite a few bitchy men. Except then it's called 'taking the piss'.

[abdoujaparov]

Me neither... So it's hard to know on the outcome on a personal prospective and I am very untrusting on any "papers" from "experts".

[abdoujaparov]

Well I don't know know any gay people full stop with kids... So it's hard to know the issues personally myself. What I am saying the issues make me uncomfortable for the reasoning given.

I was thinking about gay parents having adopted for example, not guy has kids, leaves wife's, starts seeing a man... To me that's not the same. That kids would still have a mother and farther.

[zero000]

Me neither... So it's hard to know on the outcome on a personal prospective and I am very untrusting on any "papers" from "experts".

Edited January 10, 2013 by zero000

[feral chile]

Well I don't know know any gay people full stop with kids... So it's hard to know the issues personally myself. What I am saying the issues make me uncomfortable for the reasoning given.

I was thinking about gay parents having adopted for example, not guy has kids, leaves wife's, starts seeing a man... To me that's not the same. That kids would still have a mother and farther.

[eFestivals]

Am I really being hateful and intolerant.... Or do I just simply have concerns and issues.

you have concerns and issues based on hatefulness and intolerance, so i'm sure you can work it out.

This is the problem, the ultra liberal left shouting down people. Change my username if you want Neil. Is your forum. Would show a total disrespect for any sort of freedom for people to talk and discuss things here though I feel.

I've not tried to shout you down, I've merely given a response no different to your response to others. It's only your intolerance of different views based within the facts and not bigotry which is making you feel you're being shouted down.

Asking you a question about your username is nothing of what you ignorantly and stupidly say about my question.