Download 2014

[gary1979666]

But Maiden and Metallica can only really headline R/L or Download, where as the other ones mentioned could fit at V, T, IOW, Glasto, so much more demand for them.

[jump]

But Maiden and Metallica can only really headline R/L or Download, where as the other ones mentioned could fit at V, T, IOW, Glasto, so much more demand for them.

[jammy2211]

*cough* Metallica and Maiden *cough*

[devilman]

No one is bigger than AC/DC and they headlined Download in 2010. Your point is invalid.

[thewayiam]

The reason bands like Muse, Foo's, Green Day and RHCP haven't done Download is because they're too big. Some years they do their own stadium shows, and if they do a festival then R/L or V will be waiting ready to offer more money. The simple fact both those festivals are two sites means that Download is out priced - they can't ever offer a band the chance to make more money for just one show and still make it financially viable for themselves. Throw in the added media exposure of R/L, V, more tv coverage, bigger crowd etc and its a no brainer.

It might happen one year by some fluke but really DL just doesn't have the appeal to book a band like that.

Edited September 3, 2013 by thewayiam

[jump]

I wouldn't call Green Day and RHCP too big now. I'd argue it for Muse and Foo's but I don't think Muse are right or will play, likewise I don't think Green Day will play it.

RHCP aren't the draw they were neither here or in the states in years gone by. For a band that were formed in Los Angeles, a lot of board member like on there were dreading the idea of them playing Coachella this year

Edited September 3, 2013 by jump

[thewayiam]

What do people on a UK website have to do with a Peppers coming from LA?

[jammy2211]

No one is bigger than AC/DC and they headlined Download in 2010. Your point is invalid.

[devilman]

I disagree.. Where are these shipment data record certificates you refer to? Also, they day wasn't cut in half at all. Certainly no worse than Iron Maiden did this year. I personally found walking from TCV to ACDC a painless experience. In fact it was a pleasure getting away from TCV as they were so shite. Booking the biggest band in teh world could never be described as normal and any festival in the UK would chomp at the bit to get them. The merch thing was a bummer it has to be agreed though.

[luckysalt]

We all know the main act Copping is after next year as the ticket seller is Foo Fighters. Im shocked he hasn't managed to pull it off before when they've done IOW and they were the same weekend.

Avenged will headline unless something happens where a bigger act has become available and they get pushed down due to this like TCV and ACDC,

I would argue Pearl Jam could happen as Andy said himself last year that they shifted their tour plans to 2014, but who knows.

End of the day with international acts the main reason stopping Andy getting them or not is if they decide to tour early summer or late summer. Thats the difference between an act playing Download or Reading really. Its nothing to do with who bids more money, Reading and Download belong to the same parent company. They will work things out so both have a strong line up rather than one being stacked and the other looking like shit, but of course Reading have a wider pool of acts to choose from. Whereas theres more rock festivals taking place throughout Europe in June than there is in August.

[jammy2211]

I disagree.. Where are these shipment data record certificates you refer to? Also, they day wasn't cut in half at all. Certainly no worse than Iron Maiden did this year. I personally found walking from TCV to ACDC a painless experience. In fact it was a pleasure getting away from TCV as they were so shite. Booking the biggest band in teh world could never be described as normal and any festival in the UK would chomp at the bit to get them. The merch thing was a bummer it has to be agreed though.

[jammy2211]

We all know the main act Copping is after next year as the ticket seller is Foo Fighters. Im shocked he hasn't managed to pull it off before when they've done IOW and they were the same weekend.

Avenged will headline unless something happens where a bigger act has become available and they get pushed down due to this like TCV and ACDC,

I would argue Pearl Jam could happen as Andy said himself last year that they shifted their tour plans to 2014, but who knows.

End of the day with international acts the main reason stopping Andy getting them or not is if they decide to tour early summer or late summer. Thats the difference between an act playing Download or Reading really. Its nothing to do with who bids more money, Reading and Download belong to the same parent company. They will work things out so both have a strong line up rather than one being stacked and the other looking like shit, but of course Reading have a wider pool of acts to choose from. Whereas theres more rock festivals taking place throughout Europe in June than there is in August.

[devilman]

Wikipedia

[jammy2211]

Lol do we still live in a world where people think wikipedia is an unreliable source?

As I said all sales figures there are fully referenced and can quickly be backtracked to official press releases, statements etc. For example the The Resistances x2 platinum sales status is referenced directly from the bpi.

[thewayiam]

I disagree.. Where are these shipment data record certificates you refer to? Also, they day wasn't cut in half at all. Certainly no worse than Iron Maiden did this year. I personally found walking from TCV to ACDC a painless experience. In fact it was a pleasure getting away from TCV as they were so shite. Booking the biggest band in teh world could never be described as normal and any festival in the UK would chomp at the bit to get them. The merch thing was a bummer it has to be agreed though.

[Lithium05]

why do you think AC/DC are the biggest band in the world?

[2rare2die]

With Jacko pushing up daisies, they're responsible for the largest selling album from any living act in Back In Black...

[Lithium05]

I would've thought that was The Eagles.

[devilman]

Look at the figures and references given an they all contradict each other depending on which page you look at. It's a site compiled by people with an agenda and is not verified. Trust it at your peril. Back in black was a 22x platinum record and continues to sell. Depending on which page you look at it has it between 2nd and 4th of all time. It has sold more than all of the Foos and Green Day together. They don't tour that often here because they are bona fide rock royalty and don't have to. The whole world wants them and they sell out everywhere. If Pink Floyd or Led Zep reformed then there might actually be an argument but anything else is just stupid. Download getting ACDC was a far bigger deal than getting Foos or Green Day. Any British festival getting ACDC is a far bigger deal than getting Foos and Green Day. Saying that Download couldn't get Foos or Green Day because they are too big is just silly.

As a single site Download is bigger than Leeds or any festival bar Glastonbury. They might not be able to provide a double pay day like L/R or V but there's plenty of other fests in Europe at the same time to keep any touring band busy at that time. And as has been pointed out, a lot of teh main fests in the UK are in each others pockets and organise things amongst themselves. Download could get any band in the world if they are available at the right time. Nuff silly already.

[Lithium05]

Yeah, pretty much.

[jammy2211]

So despite a number of bands outselling ACDC in the UK, selling more gig tickets then ACDC in the UK and being far more popular in a mainstream tv / press / radio coverage type way then ACDC in the UK, you still continue to think ACDC are a bigger draw? You're trying to question the sales figures I'm using but they all come directly from the bpi - you couldn't find a more reliable source in reality. There are no contradictions - you just don't like the fact that all those bands sell more albums then ACDC have in the UK.

The whole point of this was talking about their appeal in the UK, so don't use global album sales or figures to debate this. Afterall the fact they sold a bazillion copies in Serbia or something has no relevence to Download. ACDC are a huge band but people care less in the UK then the rest of the world and as a result they just arn't as big as other bands here. It's nothing special, Muse are comparatively small in the USA compared to here.

I'm sure Download will get a Foo's or Muse or GD or someone one year as they no doubt keep trying and they'd all be brilliant at selling tickets for the festival and expanding its appeal. However Downloads been going for a good 10 years now - in which time all these bands were pretty much headliner status - and it's not once managed to book any of them. Either Download hasn't been bothered (And opted to rebook Def Leppard the year Muse played R/L) or the bands want to play bigger shows which make them more money. I'm sure it'l happen one year, but the rumours going around at the moment are that A7X are gonna get bumped up to headliner and Nickelback... so maybe not this year.

[devilman]

Provide your sales figures please. When you do, tell us how many are downloads too. You'll find ACDC's download figures are 0. They don't count them. As for including gig tickets as evidence that's just moronic. ACDC tour less in the UK because they are a bigger group all over the world. They sell out stadiums every time. They could sell out their tours twice over. But if you think that they aren't as big as Green Day etc then carry on, my findings are unlikely to penetrate your wacky world. As far as global sales go though, it was Mumford's USA sales that were regularly touted as justification of their ridiculous headliner status at Glasto and T this year. Go figure.

[Gingo]

If AC/DC, Foos, Green Day and Muse all did a UK stadium tour, AC/DC would sell the most tickets, they are the biggest band in the world, sales mean shit yes it shows current popularity but One Direction and Taylor Swift sell millions but they would be horrendous bookings to make. Just because AC/DC didn't have number one records in an era where record buying was actually competitive doesnt mean anything either and the fact their most recent record got to Number shows they are still popular hell Black Sabbath had a number 1 record this year and it was their first for 43 years. Record buying days have changed immensely. But yeah back to the original point AC/DC are a bigger band than any of those mentioned and probably only The Rolling Stones are up there in terms of band status

[neilloggie]

Wikipedia has a lot of them which are referenced from press releases or other such things. Black Ice (I think ACDC's only UK number 1 album? Albeit it's not really fair using this given how different things were in the 80's / 90's) is platinum (300000+ sales) compared to The Resistance at 2x platinum (600000+), Black Holes and Reveolation 3x platinum (900000+), American idiot 6x platinum (Over 2m) and Echos, silence, Pateince & Grace 2x platinum (600000+). For reference Death Magnetic was gold (250000+ sales) and The Black Album platinum (300000+) Stiff upper lip peaked in the UK album charts at 12 and isn't certified.

Of course using recent album sales against ACDC is unfair somewhat as a huge part of their popularity is the older back catalogue, but theres no question all the bands above current record sales are far above AC/DC's in recent times. However, like I said, Foo's, Green Day, Muse are constantly touring the UK with sell out stadium, arena and festival headline shows whereas while ACDC sell a lot of tickets here too they arn't selling as many tickets as those bands. A large part of that is probably cause they tour less but it doesn't make it any less true.

So those bands sell more albums and gig tickets then ACDC in the UK - It's hard to really argue ACDC are bigger in the UK. ACDC are a bigger band globally but that's not particually relevent for Download festival who happily put bands like Prodigy, Feeder and Lostprophets top of the bill.

[thewayiam]

personally would have put u2 biggest band in the world. didn't they get biggest gross tour ever for 360?

AC/DC have allegedly sold 50 million copies of Back in Black and still holds the No1 spot for the biggest selling rock album of all time, how many other rock bands can say that?