thetime Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Fellaini 23 million Baines 17 million 40 million the pair, or fuck off ginger balls. Not worth selling for any less at the moment. Everton should lash in a 20 million offer for Rooney I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Cabaye's become a key player in France's midfield. Last season when he was injured/unfit for 2/3rd of the games we did a fraction as well as the season before where he played virtually every week. With recent price inflation, the pending world cup and the lateness in the window it's a sellers market. Btw, in terms of that list, the prices I reckon they're worth overall, and the price to their club: £22/30, £17/25, £10/20, £28/30, £55/80, £55/45. Rooney pretty much equal because Man U don't need him that much, they've got 3 other good strikers. Suarez down because of suspension hassle/disruption and their end of season form without him. Both of those would go up substantially if selling to a rival in the EPL though. All the others the problem is that there's no way the club could find a replacement which they'd sorely need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 How come moyes is so unpopular at Everton now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 How come moyes is so unpopular at Everton now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Because after years of moaning about people undervaluing Everton players he's now doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Isn't that what happens in transfers though? All about who flinches first. Buying club offers low amount, selling club say no and want a high figure(Suarez and bale) and it ends up in the middle somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Arf, you reckon Cabay is worth more than Fellaini?! I think you've just proved his point (or I have, one of us anyway, I reckon you though!) Edited August 19, 2013 by kaosmark2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 - they think he's personally responsible for all these shit low offers - that he's coming in for our players at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Isn't that what happens in transfers though? All about who flinches first. Buying club offers low amount, selling club say no and want a high figure(Suarez and bale) and it ends up in the middle somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Playing 35 games a season Fellaini will be unplayable 5 games, excellent another 10, decent another 10, and dire the other 10. Cabaye will be excellent for 15-20, good for 10-15 and poor the rest of the time. Far more consistent player. Also, Caabaye has shown for France he can cut it at the top level. Fellaini may have completed dominated several games, but he's largely been a highlights player, and hasn't had any games in the Champions League/Major International competitions yet. Cabaye's consistency of passing and vision is something that is only noticed and appreciated if you watch most games they play in for a season, rather than highlights packages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I can't imagine the current Everton manager stealing players from his old club hhhhmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Exactly The same people bitching about it are saying he should be in for Macarthy once we've got the cash! Edited August 19, 2013 by thetime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Are Everton likely to play jelavic and kone together? Will be interesting to see kone this season with a step up in clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Hmmm so Fellaini is at least excellent or better for 15, the same Cabaye may be and the better than Cabaye for another 10. I'd say that is more consistent myself. Never realised you watched all of Everton's matches either Fellaini was played out of his best position for more than 50% of last year. Cabaye barely played at all did he? Certainly not that I noticed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Im not too pissed off with him myself, as aren't many others, there's definitely a significant number who very much dislike him now though, down to either one of or a building combo of- - a significant amount were already pissed off with him - he joined the mancs - he joined the mancs the way he did - they think he's personally responsible for all these shit low offers - that he's coming in for our players at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 In what world is dire better than poor? I watched about 15 Everton matches last season (more from who they were playing). There were several where he was anonymous for most of them but contributed to the goal(s) so his performance got exaggerated in MotD later. The fact that one of his unplayable performances was against Man U helped with the ridiculous hype he got from pundits last season as well. Out of his best position? Which is his best position? Sitting deep? Box-to-box? Off the striker? I'd say box-to-box but then some of his best games were off the striker. Cabaye didn't play a lot last season no, he had 2 mid-length injuries and then was obviously regaining match fitness in some of the games he played following those. When he was fit he played well, looking like the player that dictated our brilliant 11-12 season, problem was that wasn't often. I think his injuries are the main reason we struggled to score last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) I dont see how an everton fan could be pissed off about their manager joining man utd, its a step up and 99.9% of managers would have made the same decision. Also dont get why fans are offended by low offers, all clubs (everton included) try to negotiate as low a fee as possible for a player Edited August 19, 2013 by Benj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Yeah Fellaini did well against Utd last year. Moyes basically stood him in front of/on top of Carrick so it cut out a lot of forward passes and neutralised Carrick. Fellaini won every header Everton put in that area too. But hes never going to run a game is he? Edited August 19, 2013 by The Nal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 He's a defensive midfielder, when played up top you're right he was either effective (sometimes highly) in patches or a waste of space. He's best at getting the ball back/ holding the ball up and playing the simple pass If Utd sign him, he wont be sitting in behind Van Persie, or at least I hope not for Utd fans' sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Yeah Fellaini did well against Utd last year. Moyes basically stood him in front of/on top of Carrick so it cut out a lot of forward passes and neutralised Carrick. Fellaini won every header Everton put in that area too. But hes never going to run a game is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I'd put Fellaini at £25m and Cabaye at £18m, I'd see these values dropping though if either puts in a transfer request. Rooney and Saurez are maybe worth it but come with massive risks. Rooneys apparent lifestyle choices means his body could degrade very quickly around 30ish and saurez could spend alot of time suspended if tries to start the 4th reich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benj Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I don't think his tackling is fantastic for a DM, but yeah, I certainly think he's a waste of space more often than not when played forward. As The Nal says, he neutralised Carrick brilliantly in that game by pressing him away from his natural game. If Man U take him, I'd hope (well, in terms of wanting good players to play well), that he'd be doing that role for them. Between Kagawa and Rooney I don't think Man U need someone sitting behind RVP anyway. Nope, which is why I rate Cabaye higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I can appreciate both points of view - Fellaini isn't consistent enough for me to be a regular in a side challenging for the title. Plus, I think Man Utd already have a better player than Fellaini in Fellaini's preferred position. You don't have to be a great tackler to be a very effective so called 'DM'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 Defensive Midfielding is not all about tackling, I wouldn't say he's too bad at it though. His monitoring of space is excellent, he covers a heck of a lot of ground and is obviously good in the air too and is very strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 I can appreciate both points of view - Fellaini isn't consistent enough for me to be a regular in a side challenging for the title. Plus, I think Man Utd already have a better player than Fellaini in Fellaini's preferred position. You don't have to be a great tackler to be a very effective so called 'DM'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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