Football 2013-2014

[zahidf]

There's no Prem manager daft enough, surely?

Edited May 13, 2014 by zahidf

[pink_triangle]

While Rio may not be the player he once was, you would think the premiership was swamped with quality centre backs from some of these reponses. I would think he would do a solid job for the majoirty of premiership sides.

[pink_triangle]

While Rio may not be the player he once was, you would think the premiership was swamped with quality centre backs from some of these reponses. I would think he would do a solid job for the majoirty of premiership sides.

[zahidf]

While Rio may not be the player he once was, you would think the premiership was swamped with quality centre backs from some of these reponses. I would think he would do a solid job for the majoirty of premiership sides.

[mrtourette]

QPR is a good shout, money + stupidity = Rio

[ThomThomDrum]

TheGayTents point of

The old guys aren't good enough to win it. The young guys aren't either............

[mrtourette]

If the young guys have been picked on merit and are better than the old guys then why even mention the 'we ain't gonna win it so might as well give the young guys some experience' bullshit? If Shaw is better than Cole and Barkley is better than Carrick then he picked the srongest squad, end of story.

Edited May 13, 2014 by mrtourette

[ThomThomDrum]

If the young guys have been picked on merit and are better than the old guys then why even mention the 'we ain't gonna win it so might as well give the young guys some experience' bullshit?

[mrtourette]

They are the current best form players

Edited May 13, 2014 by mrtourette

[ThomThomDrum]

What valuable experience will they get that makes this just as important as form?

[mrtourette]

Taleneted young guys, yes. I just don't see why having a World Cup under their belt (as in one in which they didn't play) would be that important. Is Leighton Baines really going to be a fish-out-of-water because he didn't go to South Africa and play zero minutes of football?

I agree that it may be a nice benefit to the right player in the right cicumstances, but then again in certain circumstances so would having experienced players with no real chance of playing along for the ride. Far too much consideration or weight is given to it, it's just assumed that it helps when there's absolutely no evidence it helps a player's development, his preparation for the next World Cup (ahould he be in the squad) or the team.

Edited May 13, 2014 by mrtourette

[ThomThomDrum]

Yeah but you are assuming they wont play. They might. Then the experience is invaluable

Also the set up to international camps is very different to club set ups, as they only happen now & then. Throwing players from multiple clubs together for a few weeks is a pretty unique and rare enough experience in football and does not happen too often. At the very least it allows players to experience that unique set up and potentially bond as a squad

I believe squads should be picked on form first and foremost.

To have a squad that has many young blokes in it based on this is great IMO.

Look what happened with Owen coming off the bench in 98. Im not saying that something like that will happen to any of the young bench warmers England are bringing, but you never know. They are good enough to be there and they may make an impact if they get a chance.

Edited May 13, 2014 by ThomThomDrum

[mrtourette]

Yeah but you are assuming they wont play. They might. Then the experience is invaluable

Also the set up to international camps is very different to club set ups, as they only happen now & then. Throwing players from multiple clubs together for a few weeks is a pretty unique and rare enough experience in football and does not happen too often. At the very least it allows players to experience that unique set up and potentially bond as a squad

I believe squads should be picked on form first and foremost.

To have a squad that has many young blokes in it based on this is great IMO.

Look what happened with Owen coming off the bench in 98. Im not saying that something like that will happen to any of the young bench warmers England are bringing, but you never know. They are good enough to be there and they may make an impact if they get a chance.

Edited May 13, 2014 by mrtourette

[ThomThomDrum]

I don't think you're really getting my point, doesn't help that I don't think we're actually disgareeing with each other

I think you're still think you're overvaluing being part of a World Cup tournament squad, all this crap about it being an essential bonding experience and the player getting to understand what tournament preparation is all about is just guff invented by the media to romanticise the situation. There's absolutely no reason why a Premier League player in this day and age should need to be part of a World Cup squad in order to be prepared for the next World Cup squad.

Edited May 13, 2014 by ThomThomDrum

[Andre91]

The big question is... Who will wear the number seven jersey ? My bet is on Sterling.

[pink_triangle]

Im not saying that the experience they get is more important than form or even just as important as form. Im simply saying its a nice benefit of bringing youth to a tournament. Having talented young guys with a World Cup under their belt must be something that excites England fans for the future, no?

[mrtourette]

I do get your point And my point is near enough to it, in that I also believe that a player should be picked on merit first and foremost.

However, I dont agree that the experience thing is simple media guff. Yeah they can overplay it as the media do with most things all Engerland, but if some of your best players are young and they form part of a WC squad for their first time then that experience will stand to them IMO. It does not mean that they need to be part of a squad in order to prepare for the next tournament, but I do think being part of this squad will have some benefits to any young player who goes on to form part of a future squad. All experiences are worthwhile, whether they are a negative or positive learning experience. It will be a maturing experience for them one way or the other.

[mrtourette]

The trouble I have in this respect is when people talk about form, they are talking about how well the player is playing for a club. However in the world cupthat player is not playing for the club, they are playing for a team with different players, style, tactics, formation and managers. The idea that this form should be transferred to the international game just doesn't match up the reality of international tournaments. Look at Brazil and scolari is ignoring domestic form, is this a mistake ?

Edited May 13, 2014 by mrtourette

[Essex_George]

Sherwood has gone.

[pink_triangle]

I think it depends on the nation in question. For a team like England, whose players all play in the same country (save Fraser Forster) against each other in a fairly similar style you can be more comfortable going with form. For nations who have players spread around the world playing in various circumstances, styles, formations or maybe not getting games then what you know about a player becomes more important than what he is currently doing. If there was an English player who had been a regular international for a number of years but who had gone abroad, found himself in an unfavourable style with an unfavoruable manager and out of the team you would then weigh up what you know he has done/can do with how damaging his current situation has been regarding his confidence/form.

[ThomThomDrum]

Nobody knows the answer to these questions, and yet people blindly accept that experience is good and 'blooding' young players in major tournaments is important. It's nonsense.

[ThomThomDrum]

I'm not sure I agree. If a player performs for England, should be then be dropped if he plays crap for man u? To me club form should get you the opportunity to play for country, but when you get that shirt if you perform you should keep that place, untill someone proves they can do the job better for the country.

[mrtourette]

I'm not sure I agree. If a player performs for England, should be then be dropped if he plays crap for man u? To me club form should get you the opportunity to play for country, but when you get that shirt if you perform you should keep that place, untill someone proves they can do the job better for the country. When it comes to international tournaments, I think you should have the squad almost ready as soon as qualification has occurred, I'm not sure throwing in young players a couple of months before is the best way.

Edited May 13, 2014 by mrtourette

[mrtourette]

If no one knows the answers to these questions then you cant say one way or the other if the experience aspect has merit or is nonsense!

[mrtourette]

No surpise about Sherwood, he's been a dead man walking pretty much since day one, but it's been a shocking season for manager turnover.