Game of Thrones discussion thread

[viberunner]

This zombie magic stuff that this other maester is about to practice (and obviously will succeed with) on the Mountain; anyone else think there is a massive significance to it? It seems to unnerve Pycelle. The maester admits he was stripped of his maestership to Jamie for dodgy practices. Maybe there is a link to this sort of magic to that found north of the wall with the white walkers, reanimated skeletons etc etc..........

I'm reading him differently, his dangerous ideas are not about a retreat blood magic but the cutting edge of medieval science. I could be wrong of course, but I see him with bunsen burners and piping rather than incense and chanting. So if the perceived wisdom is "lance the boil" but most of them die, he try the other way round to see if it worked. His ideas are dangerous only because they threaten the status and authority of senior Maesters.

Also, the Mountain isn't dead. He saving if changing him, not resurrecting him.

[ThomThomDrum]

Because a romance was exactly and precisely how she and he were written, acted, and presented, in the show. Varis confronted her - trying to tempt her away with proper riches: diamonds, a good home, servants - and she stayed because she loved him, a truth Varis accepted.

I'm told in the books her "whore" side, i.e. a coldly mercenary nature, is much more evident. But in the show her character is different or was at least consistently portrayed as very different.

But she was also potrayed in the TV show as being pretty intelligent so I dont buy she did not realise Tyrions rejection of her was for her protection. He consistently told her and reminded her that their ongoing relationship in Kings Landing had her and him in grave danger. She must of known he was "rejecting" her to protect her. Or else they did a shody job of portraying her intelligence/stupidity.

The way I see it is when she was caught by the Lannisters she was still angry at Tyrion for not leaving with her or fighting for her and she reverted to type and greed won her over to stab Tyrion in the back. And sure while shes at it why not have a slice of the most powerful man in the 5 Kingdoms? Once a whore?

[ThomThomDrum]

Also, the Mountain isn't dead. He saving if changing him, not resurrecting him.

OK the use of the word zombie on my behalf was a bit too far in this regard. I suppose I latched on to them saying he will "not be the same" and I assumed he would be in some way possessed with a dark art/magic.

I see magic being ramped up (North of the wall) so I thought it may be something at play here. I could be way way off..........

[philipsteak]

Could it be connected to the Lord of Light, resurrecting (i know he isn't dead, but he's very nearly, and it would take something powerful to bring him back) the leader of the Brotherhood without Banners in season 3.

[russycarps]

Or else they did a shody job of portraying her intelligence/stupidity.

That's my take on it: it was just badly written. Her betrayal doesn't really add up at all. I know the books are different, but I think the telly program screwed up with this plot.

OK the use of the word zombie on my behalf was a bit too far in this regard. I suppose I latched on to them saying he will "not be the same" and I assumed he would be in some way possessed with a dark art/magic.

I see magic being ramped up (North of the wall) so I thought it may be something at play here. I could be way way off..........

I think the same as you. She said "will he be weaker" and he said "no, quite the opposite" (or words to that effect). I interpreted it that he will be raised as a frankensteins monster-esque super soldier. It is in keeping with all the other supernatural stuff that is becoming more and more prevalent.

Which saddens me to be honest, I can do without all the fantasy stuff. The dragons I can just about accept, but the skeletons/zombies/kid chucking fireballs is a step too far for me.

Edited June 18, 2014 by russycarps

[Wooderson]

Which saddens me to be honest, I can do without all the fantasy stuff. The dragons I can just about accept, but the skeletons/zombies/kid chucking fireballs is a step too far for me.

Love when I start seeing this kinda nonsense.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Wooderson

[Wooderson]

Make my bizarre magical fantasy world more real goddammit.

[bunique]

I was going to say, it's very clearly a fantasy tv series, it just happens to have excellent plots and characters to go with the fantastical stuff, unlike most fantasy I've come across on TV!

[bunique]

And I love the fantasy stuff! Perhaps because it hasn't been a prominent feature people forget that it's part of the deal?

[t8yman]

Which saddens me to be honest, I can do without all the fantasy stuff. The dragons I can just about accept, but the skeletons/zombies/kid chucking fireballs is a step too far for me.

Totally agree, I feel a little ungrateful holding that view, it is fiction after all. I know for a fact that when I see my mate tonight he will moan like fuck about it. The one thing that people always say to me (who dont watch it) is "i'm not into all of that dungeons and dragons shit"

[Wooderson]

If people don't like the fantasy thats their loss. Theyre the same kind of oddball that loves Batman cuzve how "real" it is.

[russycarps]

If people don't like the fantasy thats their loss. Theyre the same kind of oddball that loves Batman cuzve how "real" it is.

batman is horrendously shit, apart from the one with danny devito in

[ThomThomDrum]

I think the thing with GOT is that the "magic" is still very very rare and when it does happen it does so in small doses and so it takes a bit to digest it (for me anyway). Further to this its hard to define. It seems all the magic we witness is not linked, or is it?

When I saw the first white walker donkeys ago I said "What the shit is this?" and "where the fuck is this bloody well going??" but I do begin to accept such as the story moves along. It does take time for me to adjust however. What encourages the skepticism in the viewers toward the magic arts in GOT is the fact that so many in the worlds of Westeros & Essos dont believe in magic (or thats the perception I have formed anyway) as it is not part of their day to day. Why before his death on the jacks was the most powerful man in Westeros not surrounded by folk who can use magic to aid his protection of power? There seems to be an athiest culture toward it I feel and I think we are immersed in that more so than the dark arts world most of the time. Hence the shock to the system when we see skeletons rise or fire balls being thrown by odd children...........

[russycarps]

it was very very rare, but it's much more in your face now it seems.

the whole thing looks like it's heading towards an "epic" confrontation in the last season between humans and zombies/white walkers with dany swooping in on her dragons etc

Which (to me) is a bit shit.

[Wooderson]

In this world, "magic" for want of a better word is real. Especially North of the Wall. What makes this acceptable (I spose) to hard-nosed show watchers not usually exposed to/accepting of this kind of stuff - is that their scepticism is shared by other characters in the narrative.

For the record I thought the whole scene with Bran was handled v poorly - but for different reasons. The show runners rolled back the design of the Children of the Forest and Bloodraven so much - either due to cost or to "make things believable". The producers are aware that they have to bring a lot of middle-aged men not used to high fantasy along with this part of the story. Thus theyve dialled it down significantly and in my opinon made a total dog's breakfast of what is one of the most fascinating parts of the story.

[Wooderson]

it was very very rare, but it's much more in your face now it seems.

the whole thing looks like it's heading towards an "epic" confrontation in the last season between humans and zombies/white walkers with dany swooping in on her dragons etc

Which (to me) is a bit shit.

What way did you think it was going to pan out? Or what would you prefer?

[russycarps]

What way did you think it was going to pan out? Or what would you prefer?

I dunno, just army v army really, ultimately having the "right" person on the throne. I dont think a show like this needs a particular climax.

I dont mind the dragons at all, because I can sort of accept them as an extinct species of animal. I didnt mind the giants either particularly.

Having the white walkers north of the wall is ok, so long as it is just a side strand to the story, and not the main focus which I worry is what is going to happen.

The skeletons and that annoying fireball brat bit was a step too far. The brann bit has always been my least favourite part so that didnt help.

I liked it when the series was mostly about normal people, with a bit of fantasy on top. Now it looks like the ratio of normal:fantasy is getting much closer.

I'm not THAT arsed like, and will carry on watching to the bitter end!

Edited June 18, 2014 by russycarps

[ThomThomDrum]

Im still convinced that GOT will be all about what those from the Starks clan do in the end and they all nearly embrace the GOT magic.

Jon is now with Stannis and the red priestess up north and so magic is very much part of his story now. He has ben exposed to and will be to a lot more magic

Bran is as far north as it gets and up to his tits in magic

Arya is off to Braavos and has been exposed to a fair amount of magic and so is very much a believer (the mysterious Braavos dude and the Brotherhood stuff)

Rickon has disappeared for ages now but Im convinced he will return and have a major major part to play in the end. He does have some of the same magic shit going on with him as Bran (and he can still walk ) so maybe he is the "chosen one" in the end?

Sansa is on her way to power with Baelish........no magic here...........but her postion is getting stonger in the world of GOT

The spearding of the Starks may in the end be their greatest strength. It would work a hell of a lot better for them if they knew what the hell each of them was up to. The mobile phone coverage in Westeros is dyer!..........

Also, Jon Snow's mother. We do not know who she is but bet you she appears at some point and it will have a massive impact...........

Edited June 18, 2014 by ThomThomDrum

[viberunner]

She must of known he was "rejecting" her to protect her. Or else they did a shody job of portraying her intelligence/stupidity.

Watch her reaction to "you're not fit to bear my children". It hit home.

You might not believe a whore would believe a Lord would dump her once he married, but a whore would. Everyone in her life who should have looked out for her had betrayed her, starting with her mother. And Tyrion is not betraying despite telling her she's of utterly no value to him AND he's shipping her off for forever?

More than that, Fuck Tyrion. He loved her? Bullshit. Not enough to run away with her.

He's on the same ship fleeing the capital anyway, but whereas he could have had a cabin with Shea and possibly a life of happiness he's now in a crate being guarded by a disappointed Varys, having jealously murdered her for having moved on from his dumping.

Here's hoping Arya spikes the ghastly little imp...

[ThomThomDrum]

More than that, Fuck Tyrion. He loved her? Bullshit. Not enough to run away with her.

Of course he did. Thats evidently obvious throughout. Sure you even said yourself it was a love story. He rejected her idea of sailing away as he only knew Kings Landing and thats the place that makes him who he is. I suspect he wanted to but feared the unknown. Now he has to leave. There is a big difference and lets not forget Shae was willing to stay with him in KL so it is not as if he had to think about it too long. He was not going to loose her then. He is now found guilty of murdering the King and was going to be executed. He has also just killed his father. Kings Landing is no place for him now. Even if Shae was alive and loved him and did not stab him in the back he would be leaving KL quick smart...........

You are probably in a very small minority of folk who want to see Tyrion die. He is a smashing fellow and great to watch IMO. How you cant feel for him I do find odd considering you do seem to empathize with Shae and her troubled past. I would have thought it would also be easy enough to feel for Tyrion considering he has been fighting all his life and has always had a complex about women who he believed truly loved him.

[Wooderson]

Tyrion clearly loved Shae.

[feral chile]

Watch her reaction to "you're not fit to bear my children". It hit home.

You might not believe a whore would believe a Lord would dump her once he married, but a whore would. Everyone in her life who should have looked out for her had betrayed her, starting with her mother. And Tyrion is not betraying despite telling her she's of utterly no value to him AND he's shipping her off for forever?

More than that, Fuck Tyrion. He loved her? Bullshit. Not enough to run away with her.

He's on the same ship fleeing the capital anyway, but whereas he could have had a cabin with Shea and possibly a life of happiness he's now in a crate being guarded by a disappointed Varys, having jealously murdered her for having moved on from his dumping.

Here's hoping Arya spikes the ghastly little imp...

I didn't like the way either of them reacted, it didn't seem to signify genuine love, which would have resulted in wounded withdrawal, not revenge killings. It didn't seem to suit either of their characters.

[Wooderson]

The "defensive Tyrion" aspect to the murder of Shae was bullshit.

[Spindles]

Tyrion has been my favourite character in the story throughout. The eternal underdog, even when born into the richest family in the realm, identifying with those who struggle, eyes open to the world and with a mind as sharp as a sword. If ever there was a character who would make a great king, it would be him.

I think, with shae, people are forgetting how hurt he was with his previous love of a whore and the reaction of his father, which clearly shaped his personality. That she had not only betrayed him, but then run to the bed of his father (proving him a nasty ass hypocrite) and worse still, turned on the same charms for him....I'm not surprised at the result.

Tywin was also a fantastic character, but his death was one I was pleased with. I shall be interested to see how the kids behave now they don't have to cow-tow to daddy.

[t8yman]

I think cersei, jamie and king tommen are going to make a royal fuck up of it all. Cersei is an evil bitch, tommen is gonna be totally manipulated by margaery, and Jamie isnt even 10% of the leader his old man was. Kings Landing needs an iron fist, and jamies fancy brass one isnt going to cut it I'm afraid!

I predict Tyrion returning to sit atop the iron throne (with a small step installed at the front)