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Of course he did. Thats evidently obvious throughout. Sure you even said yourself it was a love story. He rejected her idea of sailing away as he only knew Kings Landing and thats the place that makes him who he is. I suspect he wanted to but feared the unknown. Now he has to leave. There is a big difference and lets not forget Shae was willing to stay with him in KL so it is not as if he had to think about it too long. He was not going to loose her then. He is now found guilty of murdering the King and was going to be executed. He has also just killed his father. Kings Landing is no place for him now. Even if Shae was alive and loved him and did not stab him in the back he would be leaving KL quick smart...........

You are probably in a very small minority of folk who want to see Tyrion die. He is a smashing fellow and great to watch IMO. How you cant feel for him I do find odd considering you do seem to empathize with Shae and her troubled past. I would have thought it would also be easy enough to feel for Tyrion considering he has been fighting all his life and has always had a complex about women who he believed truly loved him.

He *was* a smashing little fellow, right up to the point he chose his (horrible) family and his (inherited) wealth over the woman he loved.

After that, he's as ghastly as the rest of them.

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Yet he protected Sansa, and tried to protect Shae. Its not quite as simple as you make out. He's hardly ghastly. The only reason he has lived to the age he has is because he is a Lannister, if he had run away with Shae, he wouldnt have survived a week - he was widely labelled a freak and a beast, and people like that either end up as objects of ridicule, or as jesters, or dead. He now has no choice but to flee, and as a result will have to take his chances in the big bad world.

Choosing to survive over choosing Shae does not make him ghastly in my opinion. He may become ghastly or evil, but as a non book reader, I have no idea at this stage.

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I don't read it the same as viberunner either - I think Tyrion told her to leave because he knew that with Joffrey as king and Cersei's influences she wasn't safe and they could never be safe together given the extensive Lannister reach. I think he would have sacrificed the comforts of wealth if he knew they could be safe somewhere together. I didn't think it was self-preservation but selfless protection of Shae. I also agree that her reaction did not tally with her character - she was very intelligent and should have twigged that he was acting in her best interests. But I suppose they needed motivation for the betrayal.

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Choosing to survive over choosing Shae does not make him ghastly in my opinion.

He *was* a smashing little fellow, right up to the point he chose his (horrible) family and his (inherited) wealth over the woman he loved.

What we are forgetting here is that the Tyrion/Shae relationship was challenged a few times before Tyrion ended it to protect her.

He originally told her of the danger his father and family posed to her and she was adamant she would stay by him. All that "I am yours and you are mine" stuff.............

Then after Blackwater he was rejecting her, feeling sorry for himself, he felt he was no good for anyone and no one could love him and she restated her love for him (I am yours blah blah) and said she would not leave for Pentos alone. She would yet again stay by him. At this moment his love for her was at a peak. You could sense it in how relieved he was to feel that someone actually cared for him as a person and not as a wealthy punter. He was at a low and he was not alone.

He did not choose his family and/or Kings Landing over her. He chose them with her. She did not go anywhere

Kings Landing politics then gets in the way and so he tries to protect her. All of a sudden this seemingly intelligent woman who is evidently madly in love with Tyrion cant see what he is doing for her and not only that but becomes a vengeful character with immense hate for Tyrion. This was handled very badly IMO. She then sleeps with the man she knows to be pure evil from how Tyrion tried to protect her from him................in many ways its non nonsensical how it was done and they should not have made her out to be a potentially sweet loving, intelligent woman toward Tyrion.

It should have been a crazy, mad, paranoid love where the final "rejection" sent her over the edge, but is was no where near portrayed as such

This was chatted about before in this thread and although I dont believe there to be any truly good characters in GOT, Tyrion is thus far probably the closest thing you will get to a good character that acts as the viewers moral compass a lot of the time IMO. Thats not to say he is "good" but he is very much the guy the viewer roots for and they want to believe him to be good in the moral sense.

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It speaks highly of the writing that we are all sat here discussing character motivations in such depth, these are characters we are clearly invested in.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr Martin might be an odd old bear, but he clearly knows his art :)

Ah well, so now we have about...oh, 42 weeks to wait to find out where we go from here.

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I didn't realise Emilia Clarke had such a London/common accent in her :lol: "I'm a Khaleesi not a Queen for fuck's sake mate".

I remember hearing years ago she was from Staines, frequenting Staines as I do, that accent is all the confirmation I needed! :lol:
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Well I thought so too until I found out the above gif was of her singing along to Ed Sheeran.

Anyway, what was she saying about internet snobs?

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