Game of Thrones discussion thread

[russycarps]

So, that rape scene. As unpleasant as it was what with theon being made to watch etc, isnt that just what happens with arranged marriages in westeros? She knew it was coming. She consented to the marriage, so is it really a rape?

The scene with dany and drogo in series 1 was just as brutal and if anything more against her will.

(I'm talking in the context of the series, rather than real life)

[bunique]

Rape can still happen with a marriage, so yes, it's still rape. Predictable but it was why I was hoping it would send Theon over the edge.

[Andre91]

The whole time I was just thinking, GO ON, KILL HIM! You're both alone with him, just do it

[russycarps]

Rape can still happen with a marriage, so yes, it's still rape. Predictable but it was why I was hoping it would send Theon over the edge.

you're thinking in terms of the real world. In westeros this situation happens at every single arranged marriage (apart from tommen and margary...) so it really shouldnt be that shocking.

[bunique]

Posting with a warning as this contains reference to the merged storyline from the books with a hint of a spoiler: http://www.themarysue.com/we-will-no-longer-be-promoting-hbos-game-of-thrones/

Basically it talks about how GOT uses rape as a plot device, not to more Sansa's story forward but to move Theon's on. It's an interesting take on it. It's not going to stop me watching the show but I agree to an extent that it was an unnecessary scene:

"In this particular instance, rape is not necessary to Sansas character development (shes already overcome abusive violence at the hands of men); it is not necessary to establish Ramsay as a bad guy (we already know he is); it is not necessary to prove how bad things were for women (Game of Thrones exists in a fictional universe, and we already know its exceptionally patriarchal). Rape here, like in all instances, is not a necessary story-driving device.

Lets talk about what this means for Sansa, now. Many assume Sansas current plot is leading her to become The Queen in the North. Will she rise to power in that way? That seems like a given at this point, but I dont care. Why? Because Game of Thrones just took her journey, and put it into the hands of Theon.

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Using rape as the impetus for character motivations is one of the most problematic tropes in fiction. Rarely is it ever afforded the careful consideration it deserves. Was there more gravity given to the act on Game of Thrones than in the past on the series? I would say yes; however, it took Sansa from her growing place of power, cut her off at the knees, and put the focus on Theons ordeal, instead."

[ThomThomDrum]

Im enjoying this series. Personally I dont need lots of "action" and massive major incidents to keep me stimulated in GOT. Im finding it intriguing enough to keep my interest and currently im far from being too critical and im very much not bored. Im enjoying the development of the stories TBH.

Tyrion and Jorah being captured by slave traders was an interesting turn of events. Great to see Tyrions quick mind at work to get them their stay

Jamie and Bronn had their little fight scene with those crazy Dorne lassies and are now imprisoned, which is an interesting turn of events.

Aryas story, which I have personally been the most indifferent to this series, has actually become a lot more intriguing now. "Someone else" eh?

The Sansa Theon Ramsey story was tense. That Ramsey fella does evil motherfucker too well! Great stuff. I really did think Theon would snap, especially after he was forced to use his real name in such a formal manner (awake the memory so to speak). I see Ramsey getting his dues soon from a rage filled Theon. Most likely in an oppurtunistic way when Winterfell is a war torn battle ground soon enough I suspect?

Baelish's political maneuverings are, as always, thought-provoking and fascinating. Surely he has not sold Sansa all the way down the river? I always felt he sees himself ruling the North with her at his side and he can still in theory be OK with any victor post a Westeros war. Proper smart scheming political slime bucket. I do like it.

The Cersei V Tyrells is getting very serious and Im now thinking Olenna (who looked surprisingly weak this episode) will be up to something to take Cersei down a peg or two..........surely. Could civil war in Kings Landing be on the cards? Surely the Faith Millitant cant go about their business unchallenged for much longer?

Overall...............yeah.............Im enjoying it. Cant wait for next week

[russycarps]

I'm not convinced by the faith millitant. Are they supposed to be trained warriors? All they seem to be is men in rags with clubs. Surley a handful of the lannisters trained, armed and armoured troops could devastate the whole lot of them?

(I appreciate cersei doesnt want to stand up to them at the moment, but presumably things are going to spiral out of her control)

[ThomThomDrum]

(I appreciate cersei doesnt want to stand up to them at the moment, but presumably things are going to spiral out of her control)

The way I see it is that she has set things in motion with the FM and ultimately she will be the maker of her own downfall as a result. Her ass is getting primed for a bitting!

[windy_miller]

I'm actually quite enjoying this series, but in a different way to the previous ones. There is a lot less action, but the whole thing has become a lot more brooding. At the end of the day, GoT was never really about the action sequences, it was about all the political intrigue and scheming. And there has been plenty of that this series.

Edited May 19, 2015 by windy_miller

[Winslow Leach]

I'm enjoying this series but last night's episode was woeful. The fight in the gardens was just laughable, as has been pretty much everything to do with Jaime and Bronn in Dorne this series.

Tyrion and Jorah's continuing bad luck is clearly just a stalling tactic to prevent either of them getting back to Daenerys before the story needs them to.

Not much left to say about that ending really. Way to undo 5 series worth of charater development in the name of keeping things dark and edgy. Benioff and Weiss really just don't get it, do they?

[russycarps]

I'm enjoying this series but last night's episode was woeful. The fight in the gardens was just laughable, as has been pretty much everything to do with Jaime and Bronn in Dorne this series.

Tyrion and Jorah's continuing bad luck is clearly just a stalling tactic to prevent either of them getting back to Daenerys before the story needs them to.

Not much left to say about that ending really. Way to undo 5 series worth of charater development in the name of keeping things dark and edgy. Benioff and Weiss really just don't get it, do they?

how did the end undo 5 series worth of character development?

[fred quimby]

I'm not convinced by the faith millitant. Are they supposed to be trained warriors? All they seem to be is men in rags with clubs. Surley a handful of the lannisters trained, armed and armoured troops could devastate the whole lot of them?

(I appreciate cersei doesnt want to stand up to them at the moment, but presumably things are going to spiral out of her control)

I assume Cersei will have them killed once they have done her bidding, how that works out who knows. They are helping her at the mo.

Wonder if the Tyrells will take away all the money

So is Bronn going to die now he has been cut by a Dorne sword (are they all not meant to be poisioned)

Who the fuck lights all the candles in these places and why do I never see it happen, there must be legions of candle lighters, or some candles actually out

quiote of the week - "We know you are not writing anything"

And I'm loving the season. I'm not someone who needs a WoW moment every other week to keep me entertained though

[bunique]

My line of the episode was Tyrion to the slaver: "guess again"

[Spindles]

The look on both faces was brilliant.

[ThomThomDrum]

"You can smell the shit from 5 miles away" gave me a chuckle

As did "If they arrested all the pillow biters in Kings Landing there will be no room in the dungeons for anyone else"

She does know how to deliver em. Up there with the Hound in that respect IMO

Edited May 19, 2015 by ThomThomDrum

[fred quimby]

My line of the episode was Tyrion to the slaver: "guess again"

Ah yes forgot that one

what a strange vocation a Cock Merchant must be

[zahidf]

I really like the series so far.

The Sansa rape was completely unecessary though. It doesn't happen in the books and it doesn't move the plot on in any great respects. Much like Jamie turning into a rapist last series, its very dodgy.

[ThomThomDrum]

Surely the point of the Sansa rape plot wise is that it potentially has an affect on Theon. Will it not contribute to him potentially acting out toward Ramsey soon? Thats whats its looking like to me anyway

[FloorFiller]

Surely the point of the Sansa rape plot wise is that it potentially has an affect on Theon. Will it not contribute to him potentially acting out toward Ramsey soon? Thats whats its looking like to me anyway

yeah that's what i assumed - pushing him one step closer to snapping and attempting to kill Ramsay

[gary1979666]

I really like the series so far.

The Sansa rape was completely unecessary though. It doesn't happen in the books and it doesn't move the plot on in any great respects. Much like Jamie turning into a rapist last series, its very dodgy.

To be fair, he doesn't marry Sansa in the books. As you don't see this from Jeyne or Ramsay's perspective, then you are left with Theon knowing it happens - I can't remember exactly but if rape wasn't explicitly mentioned, it was implied.

Did feel a bit more happened in the episode and but the books AFFC and ADWD didn't have much 'action' either, but were all about build characters and setting up for future events.

With 4 episodes to go, there's not much room for much more than book 5 and I'm sure the readers can picture the finale episode. So will build and build for a couple more before the last two. Just speculation.

I can imagine the producers going to GRRRR with a list of characters and asking if they can be killed off or not. "Barristan?", "Hmmmm well he has a few chapters in the next book, but he's not really going to be that interesting, yeah, kill him" "

There's likely to be a few more like that - i.e. surprises to the bookies, just to keep it interesting.

[ThomThomDrum]

There is a thread to discuss GOT with respect to the books. Spoilers or not that is probably the best place to bring up the books wrt GOT

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I wouldn't say the rape scene was not necessary. Sansa was just beginning to show strength and in accepting her fate. This leaves the door open for her to accept help from Brienne and maybe even Theon.

[zahidf]

yeah that's what i assumed - pushing him one step closer to snapping and attempting to kill Ramsay

That's part of the issue: her character doesn't matter, Theon's the real victim...

I think they could have progressed all the characters without the laziness of last night

[viberunner]

She consented to the marriage,

Do you think she consented of her own volition or do you think there was duress? If there was duress there was no consent.

It's something Tyrion Lannister was able to figure out. He realised fucking her, when she didn't really want to, after a marriage she didn't really want, was rape.

[viberunner]

I'm not convinced by the faith millitant. Are they supposed to be trained warriors? All they seem to be is men in rags with clubs. Surley a handful of the lannisters trained, armed and armoured troops could devastate the whole lot of them?

They're not trained warriors, but there are a lot of them. All they scenes they're in they are quite numerous compared to the swords.

And yes, they could easily be put down by a determined effort (can you imagine them getting away with that crap on Jeoffrey's watch?) BUT Tomlin (1) doesn't have the stomach for that and (2) is well aware that such an act could spark a full-scape popular revolt against him.

Edited May 19, 2015 by viberunner