Metallica....in the Mosh, will there be a mosh, not in the mosh?

[jeffie]

I was hoping to see ballet mosh the following morning!

[acidstorm523]

I was hoping to see ballet mosh the following morning!

Let's make it happen

[The Nal]

but dont tell us few moshers who are going to see the biggest metal band of all time on the largest stage in the world that we cant go nuts for the band just because you have some stupid idea of what moshing actully is and want to judge us on it. seriously just fuck off getting tired of this shite.....`oooh its all about thugs beating each other up` NO ITS FUCKING NOT!!!!

As others have asked and you have continually avoided - what is it about then? Exactly what happens in a mosh pit?

I've been caught in a mosh, unwillingly, before, had someone run at me and I got hurt. Had to leave the crowd and get fixed up.

Surely not?! No one gets hurt ever do they?! We're being told that if you don't want to be involved you won't be touched? Thats been written on here as gospel That everyone else will be completely oblivious to it?

And this is exactly what Eavis was concerned about I guess?

Yes. The council have been making it difficult for him to hold the festival every year,

Glasto has just been granted a 10 year license by Mendip Council. A huge result for Eavis.

However........

Councillor Jeannette Marsh, chair of the council's licencing board, said: "We aren't complacent - just because Glastonbury Festival now has a licence until 2024, this doesn't mean it escapes the close scrutiny that any event this size will have. We will continue to work with the organisers to ensure this remains one of the safest events anywhere, and if we have any doubts about this we will take action."

Edited June 2, 2014 by The Nal

[Swine_Glasto2014]

I doubt moshing will ever have a bearing on a licence refusal!

[Ted Dansons Wig]

I doubt moshing will ever have a bearing on a licence refusal!

It will if someone gets hurt.

[DeanoL]

He has nothing to worry about! Nor has anybody else.

Can't see a mosh happening after reading this thread!

Nah, it will happen. And it'll be fine, no-one will get hurt, and the moshers will have a good time. I keep getting derailed by a lot of stuff, and talking more about pits in general. It's not going to be ridiculously violent like some people are claiming. Some pits are like that. Metallica pits are not (aging fanbase for a start). And at Glastonbury it doubly won't be.

Nor are people going to hurt those moshing. People won't have the balls, for a start, and it's Glastonbury, you're not going to start something there.

What's going to happen is simple. A small mosh pit will form in the middle at the front. The moshers will have an awesome time. The larger number of people surrounding them, forming the walls of the bit, will spend the entire gig having to watch they don't get hurt by an errant mosher. They will be annoyed, probably tut a bit, maybe there will be the odd 'Oi' if they get bumped. Their gig will be ruined, and they'll either move away, giving up their spot and putting some other poor bugger in the same position, or stay and struggle to enjoy the show. When people ask them what they thought of Metallica after the festival they'll say they were a bit crap.

Nothing is going to happen other than minority of moshers ruining the gig for a larger minority of people on the outside of the pit. And the moshers are fine with that as they consider themselves more important than the other group. They probably won't even realise they did it.

That, alone, gets my back up. But all this talk of actual violence and people getting hurt is bullshit of the highest order, at least in terms of this show, at this festival.

[Swine_Glasto2014]

It will if someone gets hurt.

Course it won't, atleast one person will unfortunately die at Glastonbury, someone will get hurt, mugged, elbowed, robbed. That kind of thing happens when u have the population of a city all in a small area.

What does affect licensing is fence jumpers, sound restrictions being breached, road blocks, environmental issues like people pissing in rivers.

Few over enthusiastic moshers won't affect it, it might be the end for metal at Glastonbury bit not moshing!

Edited June 2, 2014 by Swine_Glasto2014

[jeffie]

Nah, it will happen. And it'll be fine, no-one will get hurt, and the moshers will have a good time. I keep getting derailed by a lot of stuff, and talking more about pits in general. It's not going to be ridiculously violent like some people are claiming. Some pits are like that. Metallica pits are not (aging fanbase for a start). And at Glastonbury it doubly won't be.

Nor are people going to hurt those moshing. People won't have the balls, for a start, and it's Glastonbury, you're not going to start something there.

What's going to happen is simple. A small mosh pit will form in the middle at the front. The moshers will have an awesome time. The larger number of people surrounding them, forming the walls of the bit, will spend the entire gig having to watch they don't get hurt by an errant mosher. They will be annoyed, probably tut a bit, maybe there will be the odd 'Oi' if they get bumped. Their gig will be ruined, and they'll either move away, giving up their spot and putting some other poor bugger in the same position, or stay and struggle to enjoy the show. When people ask them what they thought of Metallica after the festival they'll say they were a bit crap.

Nothing is going to happen other than minority of moshers ruining the gig for a larger minority of people on the outside of the pit. And the moshers are fine with that as they consider themselves more important than the other group. They probably won't even realise they did it.

That, alone, gets my back up. But all this talk of actual violence and people getting hurt is bullshit of the highest order, at least in terms of this show, at this festival.

Unless somebody who's in the crowd surrounding is a bit pissed, gets pissed off and lamps someone.

[jeffie]

it might be the end for metal at Glastonbury bit not moshing!

And that's a bit shit isn't it?

[jeffie]

Nothing is going to happen other than minority of moshers ruining the gig for a larger minority of people on the outside of the pit. And the moshers are fine with that as they consider themselves more important than the other group. They probably won't even realise they did it.

And that's the worst part

[DeanoL]

Unless somebody who's in the crowd surrounding is a bit pissed, gets pissed off and lamps someone.

At some other gigs, sure. At this one, nah, it's Glastonbury. There is a spirit of tolerance and support there. People will just move away or put up with it. They shouldn't have to, but they will. Same way people put up with flags blocking their view, and chairs tripping them up. Because it's not worth causing trouble at Glastonbury of all places.

Don't mean those engaging in such activities are not selfish pricks though.

[Wooderson]

If that meff Penguin read my posts prior to spouting his inane nonsense he'd see I posted I won't be within 100m of the stage. I'll be well back.

Also, I would hope I'm one of the most non-violent people anyone could meet.

[fred quimby]

I don't want some c**t smashing into me with the intent to start a gay mosh. I

Now I haven't read the whole thread, as I got a bit bored and some of this may be new to me but what is a gay mosh?

[jeffie]

Now I haven't read the whole thread, as I got a bit bored and some of this may be new to me but what is a gay mosh?

All of them

http://youtu.be/u2pu0m9iTo4

Edited June 2, 2014 by jeffie

[The Nal]

so really guys time to cut the crap. unless your going to go down the sonic stage and start ranting at people for moshing as well? somehow I doubt that! so enough of the ranting at these `dangerous metal fans` then eh?

thread over at least my participation is points proven, thankyou youtube

Just because they've happened doesn't make them right. Look at some of the morons participating.

Cretins.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

As others have asked and you have continually avoided - what is it about then? Exactly what happens in a mosh pit?

Ravers throw shapes. Flamenco lovers waltz. Metallers mosh. So for the person who said "they video tape it", essentially, you'll be punching a dancer in the face because he (or she) danced near you, and security - well versed in crowd control; some familiar with Metal gigs - will put you at fault.

At the end of the day, it's all part of the Metal scene and most outside of it would never understand it or like to get involved in it, and even those who do understand sometimes don't want to get involved in it. That is something metallers respect. Your safety as an observer is paramount to their safety as somebody getting involved, so again, if you have no intention of getting involved in one, just move away from it rather than approach it with a bloody mind because you'll likely get hurt. What's worse than getting hurt is you'll find yourself becoming annoyed - and despite the inherent violence involved in your typical mosh pit, nobody in them wants a fight with anybody. They'll respect the fact you don't want to be there; they may even ask you to move back for your own safety. Respect that and you won't get hurt. Don't move, stay out of bloody mindedness and you'll get hurt because people in a mosh pit will assume you want to join in.

As it happens, I'll likely be off watching Mogwai or MGMT when Metallica play purely because I've seen them 6 times and, like Prodigy, if you've seen them once (or 6) you've seen them a thousand times. If anybody wishes to see the spectacle, however; if there are a few Metal fans in the Glasto audience; all the power to them and I hope they have a good time dancing along to their band. I won't be in a mosh pit anyway even if I wanted to see Metallica purely because my fiance will be 3 1/2 months pregnant come Glasto but if I did, and a mosh pit were to break out near me, I'd move back as I've done at Metal gigs I've been going to since I turned around 26 and decided to throw in the towel.

[jeffie]

Hee hee,

Mr Penguin, do you ever read back what you write?

Edited June 2, 2014 by jeffie

[Swine_Glasto2014]

I was stood as part of the wall for that Mosh at Pendulum, the two.lads in green paint were a great laugh.

Didn't get involved or punched or hurt.

Enter shikari was pretty rough, again got squashed big time but didn't get hurt.

Chase n status 2011 kicked off a few times but it was chavs v moshers.

[Swine_Glasto2014]

Moshing is most definitely not only a metal thing!!

As this thread has proven

[jeffie]

Mr P, I'll tell you why this all kicked off!

The comments on page 1, 2, 3, etc from your self and others.

That's why.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Penguin, to be fair, a lot of people will be there out of curiosity and also just to see the headliner regardless of who it is. There will be a very, very, very small percentage of Metal fans in the audience and most, if not all, will want to avoid a mosh pit at all costs. My point is, if one breaks out, people are at Glastonbury being exposed to Metal and as such should be prepared for a Metal response from the crowd around them. The likelihood is mosh pits won't happen - it's not Download, Sonisphere or Bloodstock - but if it does, be safe and take a step back.

[jeffie]

now your judging people by what they look like? calling them cretins.....lol.....wow you are the pinnicle of open mindedness sir. quite frankly mate with that attitude I dont know why I should give a stuff what you think anyway.........

He's judging them by their behaviour, not their appearance. Sheeeesh

[Dave The Hedgehog]

For those unsure:

http://www.wikihow.com/Mosh-in-a-Mosh-Pit

[The Nal]

now your judging people by what they look like? calling them cretins.....lol

Nope. They look like your standard Glasto goer.

They behave like cretins.

[frostypaw]

Many many pages

I think what's being forgotten is that the people on here defending moshing are probably the responsible moshers so most of the argument isn't aimed at them

It's at people like my 'mate' who likes going to gigs with moshes so he can kick and punch people to get his anger out when the rest of the time he's a peaceful but frustrated guy - they're a minority who spoil it

Stopping them is harder - and avoiding big moshes developing is the way