Metallica....in the Mosh, will there be a mosh, not in the mosh?

[H.M.V]

I misread that as champers and bikinis !! Is it going to be that hot in the evenings ?

Of course dahling as its going to be a scorcher!

[A Guy Called Matt]

Do you think one could take this into the mosh area in case one feel a bit tired from all the Pimms?

[jeffie]

Do you think one could take this into the mosh area in case one feel a bit tired from all the Pimms?

I already have mine reserved.

Michael is arranging for a group of us.

[H.M.V]

Oh I already have my gold plated one on order!

[A Guy Called Matt]

Oh I already have my gold plated one on order!

Bling :-)

[Mr Splodge]

Must cater for the staff too. Nice big gazebo with kitchen.

Need ones cucumber sandwiches.

[H.M.V]

Must cater for the staff too. Nice big gazebo with kitchen.

Need ones cucumber sandwiches.

Oh cucumber sandwiches will be just delightful with the champers and salmon blinis dahling!

[sime]

I have decided to have my whole house moved and rebuilt at the very front of the stage. It is my legal right as a ticket buyer to watch performances in comfort and safety and I can see no legal or indeed logical reason why this should be in any way a problem.

[jpeee]

I bet they didn't have this kind of trouble at Woodstock 99'

[Yesiamaduck]

A group of long haired c**** at the Monkeys gig the weekend - smashing into the back of people, knocked a girl to the ground who was near me just enjoying the tunes and jumping up and down, she lost all her belongings and hurt herself. I booted the tossers legs from underneath him and had to restrain myself from volleying his face. It is so pathetic it is untrue.

So many people on here complaining at how violent a mosh pit is actively trying to start a fight because FUCK LOGIC.

I personally enjoy standing at a wall of a pit, I think it's fun shoving people back into the crowd, but then again I'm a 6'4 18stone chunk of a man so I guess I can handle myself. If you don't think you're physically able to withstand a barrage of people coming your way and you see a pit form in front of you then by all means move 1 or 2 rows back.. those who can handle themselves in that situation will then form a wall and protect the people behind them. OBVIOUSLY I'm not saying that's what happened at this gig, they may well have been a group of long haired c**ts who started a rogue pit out of nowhere and didn't give a shit about those around them (I wasn't there to see it happen) but the amount of people in this thread saying stuff like 'Mosh pits are too violent, I'm going to elbow them in the back of the head' are just nullifying their arguments.

From experience Mosh Pits only ever get unpleasant when people who don't usually participate in them get involved. IE People at this Monkey's gig you went to... because the majority of people attending an Arctic Monkeys gig probably go to a handful of gigs per year and have this stereotype of how to 'behave' at certain gigs.... Monkeys' play in a band with a guitar and a driving drum beat so I HAVE to act violent' kind of mentality. This problem only ever occurs at arena gigs for bands like The Monkeys, The Prodigy (who have the worst fans in the world I might add, they really don't give a shit about anyone) or whatever. I myself am not 'deep' into the metal scene, but I've been to plenty of gigs that involved moshing and have seen plenty of metal gigs during venue based festivals, I've never seen anyone hurt or people breaking mosh pit etiquette in this shows.

For those who are wondering Mosh Pit Etiqutte is basically

-> If they fall, pick them up (every mosh pit I've seen apart from the one at a Kings Of Leon show in 2007 has followed this rule to the letter... what a surprise the only gig I can identify with a problem was full of people who only go to gigs to get twatted)

-> No Elbows, No Fists, No Knees

-> Do NOT get people around you involved, do not 'shove' people around you that aren't in the pit... you will fall into them but try to prevent it as much as possible (this is mostly the responsibility of 'the wall' Anyone who stands next to a pit must except they're part of the wall and they will need to act as a barrier between the pit and the crowd. Problems arise when 'The Wall' is full of people who aren't whiling to co-operate or aren't able to co-operate. People standing at the edge of pits letting them fall or being aggressive towards them are likely to start fights, cause injuries and make the pit more aggressive as a result.

Providing all of the above is met then Moshing is very safe and friendly and not anti-social at all. The moment you get pricks drinking 10 cans of larger and going on 'stereotypes' (which many of you have here assuming people do it just to 'beat each other up') then we have problems and the moment you get aggressive people in 'The Wall' or people who shouldn't be standing there refusing to move then you have problems as it means people outside of the pit will end up getting shoved around and not everyone wants to be shoved around at a gig. I've already said myself that it's unlikely that I'd want to mosh at Glastonbury due to the fact the crowd will have a decent number of people not 'used' to moshing in it so my fears of elbows, fists and knees come back, but I'm not going to fault people for moshing.

Advise to those who don't want to be involved at the pit? Just don't stand near the front center, I doubt the pit will be large enough to affect anything more than the first 20 rows or so.

TLDR? Basically people throwing elbows because they chose to stand next to the pit without trying to co-operate with the pit is most likely the main source of injuries during a pit.

Edited May 28, 2014 by Yesiamaduck

[kingjamma]

Dean matey if your delibratly standing on the edge of a pit expecting noone to run into you then not only are you niaive but its you causing a problem, why should the 10-20 people in the pit stop moshing because one asshole on the outside is trying to prove some kind of silly point when he could just as easily move a couple of feet either way and be out of harms way? majority rules mate dont expect to get much syampthy if you alone start trying to cause problems for the number of people just trying to have fun in the pit.

pull your head out your arse and try to enjoy yourself, thats all these `moshers` are trying to do which is why I find it laughable you speak down to them......do you have a problem with how people react to other bands? ive seen just as much crowd mentalness during large dance acts. do you think people stand there doing nothing for the prodigy etc? last year I was pretty close to the front for dizzee rascal and people were jumping around all over the place I got bumped into a fair few times...did I whine or try to `make them make contact with my elbow`....no I didnt because im not a dick! lol

Thats one thing that needs to change, ive seen mosh pits when watching the prodigy I saw what could be described as a pit last year for public enemy......it is not just a metal thing it happens for any band with fast powerful music that inspires energy in people.

I cannot imagine how boring you must be to watch a band with `stand up straight, eyes forward, no emotion or reaction` god I bet your the kind of fan bands hate eh?

It's all well and good saying if you don't like people moshing near you don't be near the pit, but the thing is, moshpits are just created by a few by pushing everyone around them out of the way to create a space in the crowd and then others may join in. By doing this I can guarantee there will be quite a few people who don't want to be any part of a mosh pit but are now part of one because a few have decided that they want to mosh right there and right then. So by what you are saying with the whole, if you don't like it move away, those people who have every right to the spot they were standing now have no right and have to move away. There is never a designated 'mosh zone', one that if you enter and hate moshers you a bloody idiot, but mosh pits are just created in random places in the crowd.

Now yes you could say you're more likely to get them nearer the front, but then that's also like saying if you're not prepared to potentially mosh, don't go to far forward just incase, therefore meaning those people get a worse view.

I myself am a metal fan (a diehard Metallica fan) and when I was younger used to love a good mosh. But now I've realised that I spent more time acting like a loon then watching the band. I have no problem with people who want to mosh if that's what they want to do, I just feel a lot of people who open up the pits don't really take into consideration much about everyone around them and that a lot of people didn't want a pit there, and then get all "well what did you expect at a metal gig?!" when people might get a bit arsey about someone constantly banging into them and having to keep one eye on the pit in case of a flying arm to the face and not full attention on the band. I have seen all too many times when someone just decides out of nowhere that they want to open a pit, said pit opens up, a couple of people start moshing, a lot of people who were in the area now have to run to the sides and are squashing up against each other to try and get away now making it feel like you're on the barrier at the very front, and this is often halfway back in the crowd as well.

So yeah, basically my main point is, if people want to mosh then go for it. But please be more considerate about the people in the area you are opening the pit, and don't get all self righteous like you were entitled to open up the pit and tell people if they don't like it they should piss off.

[Swine_Glasto2014]

Well said, as accurate as can be.

Last year a bloke floored another bloke because he fell into him whilst watching Rolling Stones!

Almost instant reaction was to hit him so he must have been waiting to do it to someone

[Stokesy10]

So many people on here complaining at how violent a mosh pit is actively trying to start a fight because FUCK LOGIC.

I personally enjoy standing at a wall of a pit, I think it's fun shoving people back into the crowd, but then again I'm a 6'4 18stone chunk of a man so I guess I can handle myself. If you don't think you're physically able to withstand a barrage of people coming your way and you see a pit form in front of you then by all means move 1 or 2 rows back.. those who can handle themselves in that situation will then form a wall and protect the people behind them. OBVIOUSLY I'm not saying that's what happened at this gig, they may well have been a group of long haired c**ts who started a rogue pit out of nowhere and didn't give a shit about those around them (I wasn't there to see it happen) but the amount of people in this thread saying stuff like 'Mosh pits are too violent, I'm going to elbow them in the back of the head' are just nullifying their arguments.

I was waiting for someone to say something along the lines of folk not being able to handle it because of their size. Fortunately, I don't have that issue, I can handle myself very well, but when I'm watching music with my mates (and please revert back to my comments about people getting banged into, accidently caught by an arm etc - that's not a problem, it's a gig), I don't want some c**t smashing into me with the intent to start a gay mosh. I'm not violent, but if someone does that to me (not accidently) they'll be getting a series of headbutts. When people run into the back of someone who is standing 'STILL', that person is an utter c**t and is sad beyond belief. I understand, if someone's at an extreme heavy metal gig, that's the culture of the gig/crowd and it's expected. My reference to the AM gig (which I can see you understand) is the point I'm making though. People need to grow up if they think it's funny breaking your nose/eye socket/injuring innocent bystanders who've paid to (funnily enough) listen to the music, who have to go to work the next day. "What did you do to your nose" - "Oh I was at a gig and someone smacked me in my face in the dark, it was quality". Beyond sad.

By the way I fully agree with your point about moving if you don't like the mosh. Common sense. When it starts from behind you and the people infront of said Moshers, are deliberately battering into people who are CLEARLY standing still, then they are c**ts. There's no argument in that.

Smacking them back is not nullifying the argument. The lad who's legs I booted from underneath him had created space around himself because folk were perplexed and amazed by what he was doing. It was safe to cause him some pain. It's what the prick was after anyway wasn't it. As I'm not a c**t, I wouldn't do that (or cause a fight) in a tight nit area where people could get hurt.

Edited May 28, 2014 by Stokesy10

[Stokesy10]

Dean matey if your delibratly standing on the edge of a pit expecting noone to run into you then not only are you niaive but its you causing a problem, why should the 10-20 people in the pit stop moshing because one asshole on the outside is trying to prove some kind of silly point when he could just as easily move a couple of feet either way and be out of harms way? majority rules mate dont expect to get much syampthy if you alone start trying to cause problems for the number of people just trying to have fun in the pit.

pull your head out your arse and try to enjoy yourself, thats all these `moshers` are trying to do which is why I find it laughable you speak down to them......do you have a problem with how people react to other bands? ive seen just as much crowd mentalness during large dance acts. do you think people stand there doing nothing for the prodigy etc? last year I was pretty close to the front for dizzee rascal and people were jumping around all over the place I got bumped into a fair few times...did I whine or try to `make them make contact with my elbow`....no I didnt because im not a dick! lol

Thats one thing that needs to change, ive seen mosh pits when watching the prodigy I saw what could be described as a pit last year for public enemy......it is not just a metal thing it happens for any band with fast powerful music that inspires energy in people.

I cannot imagine how boring you must be to watch a band with `stand up straight, eyes forward, no emotion or reaction` god I bet your the kind of fan bands hate eh?

Your first point. Yes - it's their prerogative, if they want to break their noses and go to work, because it's so epic and awesome, that is totally their choice.

Secondly, how are you possibly comparing being banged into, someone hitting you with their arm or any body part accidently, the crowd surging slightly so you have to move with it, to an 'actual' mosh pit, where c**ts smash into people who are STANDING THERE LISTENING TO THE MUSIC, and start whacking people in the face? Haha. It's a bit different mate. I was 3 rows from the front at the (worst live act I've ever seen - another story) Dizzee, and that was moderate. It was 17/18 year olds reacting to Dizzee shouting 'BOUNCE, BOUNCE, BOUNCE' in ever chorus. The reason you didn't elbow them back is because you wouldn't have needed to. It's a gig, you get banged into accidently.

[Yesiamaduck]

I was waiting for someone to say something along the lines of folk not being able to handle it because of their size. Fortunately, I don't have that issue, I can handle myself very well, but when I'm watching music with my mates (and please revert back to my comments about people getting banged into, accidently caught by an arm etc - that's not a problem, it's a gig), I don't want some c**t smashing into me with the intent to start a gay mosh. I'm not violent, but if someone does that to me (not accidently) they'll be getting a series of headbutts. When people run into the back of someone who is standing 'STILL', that person is an utter c**t and is sad beyond belief. I understand, if someone's at an extreme heavy metal gig, that's the culture of the gig/crowd and it's expected. My reference to the AM gig (which I can see you understand) is the point I'm making though. People need to grow up if they think it's funny breaking your nose/eye socket/injuring innocent bystanders who've paid to (funnily enough) listen to the music, who have to go to work the next day. "What did you do to your nose" - "Oh I was at a gig and someone smacked me in my face in the dark, it was quality". Beyond sad.

By the way I fully agree with your point about moving if you don't like the mosh. Common sense. When it starts from behind you and the people infront of said Moshers, are deliberately battering into people who are CLEARLY standing still, then they are c**ts. There's no argument in that.

Smacking them back is not nullifying the argument. The lad who's legs I booted from underneath him had created space around himself because folk were perplexed and amazed by what he was doing. It was safe to cause him some pain. It's what the prick was after anyway wasn't it. As I'm not a c**t, I wouldn't do that (or cause a fight) in a tight nit area where people could get hurt.

As I said I wasn't there I don't the particulars, if it just a bunch of twats doing something out of step with the rest of the crowd then by all means make an example of them... I'd personally probably try to grab their attention before hand but can see where you're coming from. I think my comments are mostly directed to people like 'The Nal' and 'DeanOL' who seem to have this paintbrush of which they want to paint everyone with and have the intention of harming people for participating in what I'm sure a fair chunk of the crowd will be doing.

Edited May 28, 2014 by Yesiamaduck

[The Nal]

So many people on here complaining at how violent a mosh pit is actively trying to start a fight because FUCK LOGIC.

I personally enjoy standing at a wall of a pit, I think it's fun shoving people back into the crowd, but then again I'm a 6'4 18stone chunk of a man so I guess I can handle myself. If you don't think you're physically able to withstand a barrage of people coming your way and you see a pit form in front of you then by all means move 1 or 2 rows back.. those who can handle themselves in that situation will then form a wall and protect the people behind them. OBVIOUSLY I'm not saying that's what happened at this gig, they may well have been a group of long haired c**ts who started a rogue pit out of nowhere and didn't give a shit about those around them (I wasn't there to see it happen) but the amount of people in this thread saying stuff like 'Mosh pits are too violent, I'm going to elbow them in the back of the head' are just nullifying their arguments.

From experience Mosh Pits only ever get unpleasant when people who don't usually participate in them get involved. IE People at this Monkey's gig you went to... because the majority of people attending an Arctic Monkeys gig probably go to a handful of gigs per year and have this stereotype of how to 'behave' at certain gigs.... Monkeys' play in a band with a guitar and a driving drum beat so I HAVE to act violent' kind of mentality. This problem only ever occurs at arena gigs for bands like The Monkeys, The Prodigy (who have the worst fans in the world I might add, they really don't give a shit about anyone) or whatever. I myself am not 'deep' into the metal scene, but I've been to plenty of gigs that involved moshing and have seen plenty of metal gigs during venue based festivals, I've never seen anyone hurt or people breaking mosh pit etiquette in this shows.

For those who are wondering Mosh Pit Etiqutte is basically

-> If they fall, pick them up (every mosh pit I've seen apart from the one at a Kings Of Leon show in 2007 has followed this rule to the letter... what a surprise the only gig I can identify with a problem was full of people who only go to gigs to get twatted)

-> No Elbows, No Fists, No Knees

-> Do NOT get people around you involved, do not 'shove' people around you that aren't in the pit... you will fall into them but try to prevent it as much as possible (this is mostly the responsibility of 'the wall' Anyone who stands next to a pit must except they're part of the wall and they will need to act as a barrier between the pit and the crowd. Problems arise when 'The Wall' is full of people who aren't whiling to co-operate or aren't able to co-operate. People standing at the edge of pits letting them fall or being aggressive towards them are likely to start fights, cause injuries and make the pit more aggressive as a result.

Providing all of the above is met then Moshing is very safe and friendly and not anti-social at all. The moment you get pricks drinking 10 cans of larger and going on 'stereotypes' (which many of you have here assuming people do it just to 'beat each other up') then we have problems and the moment you get aggressive people in 'The Wall' or people who shouldn't be standing there refusing to move then you have problems as it means people outside of the pit will end up getting shoved around and not everyone wants to be shoved around at a gig. I've already said myself that it's unlikely that I'd want to mosh at Glastonbury due to the fact the crowd will have a decent number of people not 'used' to moshing in it so my fears of elbows, fists and knees come back, but I'm not going to fault people for moshing.

Advise to those who don't want to be involved at the pit? Just don't stand near the front center, I doubt the pit will be large enough to affect anything more than the first 20 rows or so.

TLDR? Basically people throwing elbows because they chose to stand next to the pit without trying to co-operate with the pit is most likely the main source of injuries during a pit.

Are you taking the piss?

So I have to move a few rows back to see the gig in relative comfort because a few halfwits want to bash into each other?!

I think my comments are mostly directed to people like 'The Nal' and 'DeanOL' who seem to have this paintbrush of which they want to paint everyone with and have the intention of harming people for participating in what I'm sure a fair chunk of the crowd will be doing.

No. Mainly its disappointing in evolutionary terms. Why would you pay to go see a gig and then ignore the band and start bashing into people?

I've seen and found myself in all sorts of pits in various venues at various gigs. From Rage to Metallica to the Prodigy to The Chili Peppers Amon Amarth. Some more violent than others. All moronic and all just outright rude to fellow gig goers.

Assuming that someone else should have to move or intentionally disrupting someone elses gig for the purpose of your own moronic entertainment is utter nonsense.

Edited May 28, 2014 by The Nal

[Yesiamaduck]

Are you taking the piss?

So I have to move a few rows back to see the gig in relative comfort because a few halfwits want to bash into each other?!

No

Yes

Enjoy your evening at Glastonbury

[Stokesy10]

As I said I wasn't there I don't the particulars, if it just a bunch of twats doing something out of step with the rest of the crowd then by all means make an example of them... I'd personally probably try to grab their attention before hand but can see where you're coming from. I think my comments are mostly directed to people like 'The Nal' and 'DeanOL' who seem to have this paintbrush of which they want to paint everyone with and have the intention of harming people for participating in what I'm sure a fair chunk of the crowd will be doing.

Yep, I agree there pal.

[Yesiamaduck]

Are you taking the piss?

So I have to move a few rows back to see the gig in relative comfort because a few halfwits want to bash into each other?!

No. Mainly its disappointing in evolutionary terms. Why would you pay to go see a gig and then ignore the band and start bashing into people?

I've seen and found myself in all sorts of pits in various venues at various gigs. From Rage to Metallica to the Prodigy to The Chili Peppers Amon Amarth. Some more violent than others. All moronic and all just outright rude to fellow gig goers.

Assuming that someone else should have to move or intentionally disrupting someone elses gig for the purpose of your own moronic entertainment is utter nonsense.

It sounds like you shouldn't be going to rock gigs, may I interest you in some Coldplay? I hear their music is quite comforting.

The fact you're discriminating people based on how they enjoy certain gigs shows a greater lack of forward thinking on your behalf as opposed to you. I'm not bias, I prefer gigs where I can chill and boogie, but understand that different gigs have different sub cultures and my expectations change based on that. I mean if someone started moshing during an Alice Boman gig I'd be FURIOUS and I'm sure everyone else including the performer would be... but if I went to Metallica gig and expected to be near the front and hoped the crowd would 'behave themselves' so I can enjoy myself is pretty anti-social and ignorant. But hey, as long as YOU have a good time right?

PS it's not just neanderthals that mosh... so please get over yourself.

[LondonTom]

I personally enjoy standing at a wall of a pit, I think it's fun shoving people back into the crowd,

Indeed my ideal spot at a heavier gig if its a proper mosh pit and not just some 15 year old chavs acting hard because they had a couple of WKDs before coming along.

The logic of this thread is thus: completely moronic to mosh to heavier acts that are known for that sort of thing but its all fine and dandy to elbow and kick someone because they are doing something you don't approve of. Pleasent attitude.

[The Nal]

It sounds like you shouldn't be going to rock gigs, may I interest you in some Coldplay? I hear their music is quite comforting.

The fact you're discriminating people based on how they enjoy certain gigs shows a greater lack of forward thinking on your behalf as opposed to you. I'm not bias, I prefer gigs where I can chill and boogie, but understand that different gigs have different sub cultures and my expectations change based on that. I mean if someone started moshing during an Alice Boman gig I'd be FURIOUS and I'm sure everyone else including the performer would be... but if I went to Metallica gig and expected to be near the front and hoped the crowd would 'behave themselves' so I can enjoy myself is pretty anti-social and ignorant. But hey, as long as YOU have a good time right?

PS it's not just neanderthals that mosh... so please get over yourself.

I found myself in a mosh pit at a Rage Against the Machine gig at the very back before. With my missus. Couldn't hear a thing after a while for all the people shouting at each other. "You hit me first.... no fuck you ...you hit me" etc. Idiotic.

If you're actually in the pit then fair enough. What do you expect in that case. No issue with that. Even though its still moronic behaviour.

Anyway, how is bashing into each other classed as "enjoyment"? Surely it would be much better fun watching and listening to the band you've paid to see?

The logic of this thread is thus: completely moronic to mosh to heavier acts that are known for that sort of thing but its all fine and dandy to elbow and kick someone because they are doing something you don't approve of. Pleasent attitude.

Its astonishing stuff.

Moshing is moronic. Elbowing moshers in the back of the head is moronic. An unrepentant and willing disregard for other peoples gig going experience is moronic.

Its difficult to talk about the subject of moshing without using stupidity at every step to be honest.

But hey, hes 6 ft 4 and 18 stone . The 5 ft 4, 7 stone girl who just wants to check out the band and gets knocked about and has her gig ruined can go fuck though herself right?

Ive had my fun, and thats all that matters.

Edited May 28, 2014 by The Nal

[sime]

I'm going to start a food fight with mashed potato during their set. I'm going to start a mash pit.

[Yesiamaduck]

I found myself in a mosh pit at a Rage Against the Machine gig at the very back before. With my missus. Couldn't hear a thing after a while for all the people shouting at each other. "You hit me first.... no fuck you ...you hit me" etc. Idiotic.

If you're actually in the pit then fair enough. What do you expect in that case. No issue with that. Even though its still moronic behaviour.

Anyway, how is bashing into each other classed as "enjoyment"? Surely it would be much better fun watching and listening to the band you've paid to see?

Why is it more enjoyable to close your eyes and nod at certain gigs?

Why is it more enjoyable to vogue at some gigs and more enjoyable to sway?

You don't enjoy mosh pits, I get it, but I've enjoyed mosh pits but I couldn't tell you why other than 'it just felt right at the time' and was more fun than exclusively watching the band on the stage. So I can tell you from first hand experience that moshing compliments certain live bands brilliantly.

I do agree though, people shouldn't be starting mosh pits near the back, that's shitty behaviour as most people near the rear are trying to avoid that sort of thing. But Rage are a band I'd class as 'attracting a certain fan that doesn't really 'get' moshing'. Metallica could be in that list but I'm sure Glastonbury doesn't really attract the sort of people who do this.

Edited May 28, 2014 by Yesiamaduck

[sheffieldlady]

I'm going to start a food fight with mashed potato during their set. I'm going to start a mash pit.

You as well, I am taking smash for ease of making.

[cornish hick]

You as well, I am taking smash for ease of making.

You need to change your avatar

(assuming you are old enough to know what I mean)