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[lucyginger]

Ooh chish and fips!! Nice!!

Lovely part of the world that, Mr Gumby.

[A Guy Called Matt]

Ooh chish and fips!! Nice!!

Lovely part of the world that, Mr Gumby.

Does you new Morrissey inspired diet allow for Chish and Fips?

[A Guy Called Matt]

Fish makes Mattyc very ill :-(

[fatyeti24]

For a while I fluctuated between genuinely believing that mp3s were the devil's work and thinking it was just me being a music snob again.

More recently I have decided that, in my opinion at least, digital music is pretty shitty.

I have some decent earbuds, and I can, even with ears the age of mine, hear just how much I'm not hearing (if you get me!) when I listen to mp3s. It does improve with higher bit rate and lossless formats, but in essence they're all a bit crap. I read that a typical mp3 of 192/256kbps quality retains about 15% of the original source data from the recording. So we're not hearing 85% of what the artist recorded!

I now genuinely believe that my loving vinyl is not just hipster wannabe activity, but a conscious and subconscious acknowledgement that the sound is richer as it contains so much more of what was recorded.

As to whether 'older' music sounds better than more modern digitised music, I think that it varies enormously from recording to recording, and is not specifically era-related. Not dissimilar, in fact, to the variation in the quality of vinyl pressings, in a way. I have records that sound SO clean and clear, and were obviously brilliant pressings.

Anyway, short answer is that digital music is actually pretty crap. The fact that we have all, by and large, got used to that drop in clarity and quality is the reason why many are so disparaging when someone actually says that digital music is crap!

Hope that helps (fully aware that it won't)

Ben

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opinions!

just about all modern music is recorded digitally, so there's no more sound captured on vinyl, and probably less due to vinyl's limitations. there's no reason why a top quality digital version would sound worse.

which counts for nowt if you like vinyl more. and there's so many other variables it's hard to say one is quantifiably better than the other.

personally, i can't really tell the difference (as long as the recording is good bitrate, 320 or more), so i have no dog in the fight, so to speak. i like to dj and enjoy the manipulation available to me with digital, and it's convenience - i never could get the hang of it with 12"s, if you'll pardon the finbarr!

[A Guy Called Matt]

opinions!

just about all modern music is recorded digitally, so there's no more sound captured on vinyl, and probably less due to vinyl's limitations. there's no reason why a top quality digital version would sound worse.

which counts for nowt if you like vinyl more. and there's so many other variables it's hard to say one is quantifiably better than the other.

personally, i can't really tell the difference (as long as the recording is good bitrate, 320 or more), so i have no dog in the fight, so to speak. i like to dj and enjoy the manipulation available to me with digital, and it's convenience - i never could get the hang of it with 12"s, if you'll pardon the finbarr!

As a nearly 50 year old I cannot tell any difference between a 320 bit rate and a 160 ish bit rate

[fatyeti24]

As a nearly 50 year old I cannot tell any difference between a 320 bit rate and a 160 ish bit rate

i could probably tell that, but i wouldn't like to pepsi challenge it. same with vinyl / flac / wav etc

[Mr Splodge]

I play music via laptop/tablet speakers currently, so it's all unclear. Although my record player had inbuilt speakers, I can hear a difference in output, as well as one record which is poor quality pressing. My dream is better kit, but I have other more pressing matters for money.

Slodge, what NAS did you get?

I now have a Synology DiskStation DS215j with a Western Digital Red 3TB drive, I intend to buy another drive and mirror when pennies allow.

[bennyhana22]

opinions!

just about all modern music is recorded digitally, so there's no more sound captured on vinyl, and probably less due to vinyl's limitations. there's no reason why a top quality digital version would sound worse.

which counts for nowt if you like vinyl more. and there's so many other variables it's hard to say one is quantifiably better than the other.

personally, i can't really tell the difference (as long as the recording is good bitrate, 320 or more), so i have no dog in the fight, so to speak. i like to dj and enjoy the manipulation available to me with digital, and it's convenience - i never could get the hang of it with 12"s, if you'll pardon the finbarr!

I'm not sure you're right, FY!

Yes, both mp3s and vinyl originate from the same digital source, but the data compression that occurs when that master is used to generate an mp3 is what leads to huge data 'loss', and so the (IMO, obvs!) poor experience one gets with mp3s.

The vinyl can be cut from the 'full' original digital data...thus retaining more of the source material.

I think...!

Ben

[fatyeti24]

I'm not sure you're right, FY!

Yes, both mp3s and vinyl originate from the same digital source, but the data compression that occurs when that master is used to generate an mp3 is what leads to huge data 'loss', and so the (IMO, obvs!) poor experience one gets with mp3s.

The vinyl can be cut from the 'full' original digital data...thus retaining more of the source material.

I think...!

Ben

all mp3s are digital, but not all digital is mp3. lossless digital is as it says on the tin, so no loss, like a cd, as good as it gets from a master recording (assuming digital recording here). whether one prefers vinyl or digital is subjective - there is a difference to some ears better than mine - , but there's no reason at all why you'd get 'more' sound on a piece of vinyl.

way back when i put my cds into my computer i did it losslessly, rather than what was recomended for ipods etc. it takes up much, much more memory but the sound stands up to scrutiny on a decent system, where mp3s generally won't.

but it's horses for courses innit? 12" of vinyl is an infinitely more interesting artefect than a digital file, but totally useless outside of the house!

[A Guy Called Matt]

I have listened to a 320 bit rate MP3 track and then the same track as a lossless FLAC

I heard no difference

[fatyeti24]

I have listened to a 320 bit rate MP3 track and then the same track as a lossless FLAC

I heard no difference

same here. only i didn't learn that until after i'd spent plenty of time and money on then-expensive digital memory to store many thousands of songs losslessly!

[A Guy Called Matt]

same here. only i didn't learn that until after i'd spent plenty of time and money on then-expensive digital memory to store many thousands of songs losslessly!

Another industry con then it seems - tell us all that what we have been hearing is rubbish and get us all to buy yet more new gear

[stuartbert two hats]

I have listened to a 320 bit rate MP3 track and then the same track as a lossless FLAC

I heard no difference

Yeah, I can't tell the difference when I activate 'high quality' on Spotity - and I'm using a fairly decent system, although admittedly with poor speaker positioning.

[A Guy Called Matt]

Have I missed any news today?

I ask as I cannot be bothered to read all the other threads!!

[fatyeti24]

Have I missed any news today?

I ask as I cannot be bothered to read all the other threads!!

the excitement is moving now from Pyramid headliners to Other headliners, featuring mixed messages, mystery and intrigue.

[Woffy]

Have I missed any news today?

I ask as I cannot be bothered to read all the other threads!!

Yes.

I am still fucking hilarious.

FACT.

[fatyeti24]

Yes.

I am still fucking hilarious.

FACT.

tell us a joke then

[Mr Splodge]

I have older cd's converted to MP3 and never cd's converted I am convinced to older sound better.

I just find the never ones very false.

Perhaps it's old age

[Mr Splodge]

tell us a joke then

Me

[Woffy]

tell us a joke then

I've just bought a new house with period features.

But she hates that nickname.

[Woffy]

Me

No, you're lovely, slodge.

[A Guy Called Matt]

Yes.

I am still fucking hilarious.

FACT.

People who use the word fact in capitals to show what they say is true are utter fools

FACT

[Woffy]

People who use the word fact in capitals to show what they say is true are utter fools

FACT

It was ironic.

F A C T

[thurlow84]

I've just bought a new house with period features.

But she hates that nickname.

Yes Woffy you are hilarious

Keep up the good work

[thurlow84]

I've just bought a new house with period features.

But she hates that nickname.

Yes Woffy you are hilarious

Keep up the good work

So funny i had to post it twice

Edited March 18, 2015 by thurlow84