General Election 2015

[LondonTom]

But, being "British" and who realises after independence he'll have to call himself "English", with all the EDL and "common sense innit" connotations that has, I can sympathise - though vociferously disagree - with your desire to avoid reality.

So the Welsh and Northern Irish would be happy to be called English when Scotland leaves? Or does Scotland want the British name to?

[kaosmark2]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82891000/jpg/_82891406_82891405.jpg

bloody hell! how relaxed and 'normal' does he look now he's quit? Shame he couldn't have portrayed such an image before the election.

Because the media were focusing on other images. Now they want to diminish the Labour party, not its ex-leader.

[eFestivals]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82891000/jpg/_82891406_82891405.jpg

bloody hell! how relaxed and 'normal' does he look now he's quit? Shame he couldn't have portrayed such an image before the election.

he looks exactly the same.

You've no reason to see him thru hateful eyes now.

[feral chile]

He hired someone to help him with public speaking, didn't he? he always looked to me like he was trying to control his mannerisms, this distracted from what he had to say. He would start a facial expression, and then halt it partway.

[eFestivals]

I hated the fact that he looked and acted like he didn't really have much vision.

What what vision did you have from the Green's policies? A better world, or bankruptcy?

It's all about the eyes that are viewing.

[LondonTom]

I never once saw him look that relaxed throughout the whole campaign. He looked like a shy scared person who'd been asked to do something he wasn't comfortable with.

I never hated him. I hated the fact that he looked and acted like he didn't really have much vision.

Do you not think you would be slightly stressed with the media houding you everyday while you was trying to persude 45 million people to vote for you to lead the country?

I'd imagine his ever so slightly relieved to be out of the press and not have to worry about his image anymore.

[eFestivals]

More of an acknowledgement to global warming for a start

A better world, yes.

But things like tackling global warming are only possible if everything else is running smoothly.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's quite possible for any individual to take a view that their policies are sound, or that they're not. Which way a person goes is down to their experiences, their knowledge, their views, and their prejudices.

It's exactly the same with everything else. You (or I) look at it and form a view. Like you did with Miliband.

All of the stuff was out there to better inform your view, and on real meaningful things rather than a bacon sandwich. You went with the bacon sandwich.

You're perfectly entitled to do that of course, tho it would be better if you recognised what you'd done. Your words make pretty clear that it was appearances that led your thinking.

And before you do you normal moron act in response I'm not pretending I'm any more perfect, tho my similar faults fall in different places.

[Comfy Bean]

I find it a problem being in a political union with a country where 50% of the population vote Bullingdon or UKIP.

England should feel free to sail to the hard right as Scotland drifts to the left.

And if you think that Scotland would be the (financially) poorer for it, so be it. Somethings are worth paying for.

Thought this was a good post mate. The SNP clearly stood on an anti-austerity " platform " and Scotland voted in 56 ( 57 if you count the Labour guy ) MP`s who will vote against the renewal of nuclear weapons. Fair enough most of our english pals on here didn`t vote Tory or UKIP but clearly they are in the minority - like we are. Incredible that Dave got back in ( although I long suspected he would ) when you consider the previous 5 years.

All this talk of " suicide " and your " fucked " etc is odd from folks who oppose the Tories and a 2 party system. We are clearly trying to take a different path up here and have been for a while.

Wanted to add that some things are worth voting for and the SNP quite clearly have the support of scottish voters. 56 seats is a huge nod towards their stance on austerity, nuclear weapons, immigration etc.

The " Maggie Simpson " map of our union pretty much sums it up I think.

[viberunner]

So the Welsh and Northern Irish would be happy to be called English when Scotland leaves? Or does Scotland want the British name to?

"The United Kingdom of England and Wales and the Bit of Ireland the Catholics Haven't Taken Back Yet but the Demographics Suggest They Will" has a certain ring to it.

[Comfy Bean]

" po-faced concerns have been raised " according to the Guardian.......

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/snp-mps-flout-commons-etiquette-with-first-day-tweets

[feral chile]

" po-faced concerns have been raised " according to the Guardian.......

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/snp-mps-flout-commons-etiquette-with-first-day-tweets

I sincerely hope they don't change, and continue to flout etiquette. I was watching them this morning and they were a breath of fresh air compared to the usual pomposity. let's hope they can 'keep parliament honest' but it'll be a hell of a job!

[Comfy Bean]

" People of Scotland - vote YES and set us English free "

" Instead of condemning us to perpetual Tory rule, independence may reinvigorate Labour and bring us the devolution we crave."

According to that well known snipster a wee while back.................Billy Bragg.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/23/scotland-vote-yes-set-english-free-independence-devolution

[Comfy Bean]

I sincerely hope they don't change, and continue to flout etiquette. I was watching them this morning and they were a breath of fresh air compared to the usual pomposity. let's hope they can 'keep parliament honest' but it'll be a hell of a job!

Things are turning sour already I`m afraid feral

Reports ( attached ) of some " totally unacceptable " clapping. I can only apologise for the ( very small ) part I have played in this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-show-hits-westminster--with-some-totally-unacceptable-clapping-10248609.html

[feral chile]

Things are turning sour already I`m afraid feral

Reports ( attached ) of some " totally unacceptable " clapping. I can only apologise for the ( very small ) part I have played in this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-show-hits-westminster--with-some-totally-unacceptable-clapping-10248609.html

I'm loving these people already

Edited May 14, 2015 by feral chile

[Comfy Bean]

How much of a problem will you have living a country that's significantly poorer than the current Scotland you detest?

" Significantly poorer ".....relative to who / where ?

" detest "

Po-faced concerns in my opinion

[russycarps]

" Significantly poorer ".....relative to who / where ?

" detest "

Po-faced concerns in my opinion

Relative to current public spending.

Guess who suffers when that is slashed? Obviously it's not you as it hasn't even crossed your mind. Amazing really.

[Comfy Bean]

Relative to current public spending.

Guess who suffers when that is slashed? Obviously it's not you as it hasn't even crossed your mind. Amazing really.

Russy mate, I think you need to think quite a lot of this through. Public spending being cut / slashed you say..........

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/03/autumn-statement-2014-george-osborne-spending-cuts

Edited May 14, 2015 by comfortablynumb1910

[russycarps]

Russy mate, I think you need to think quite a lot of this through. Public spending being cut / slashed you say..........

I actually think you and the english-scotsman viberunner have lost the plot since may 8th. Your final grains of sanity have slipped away.

ljs is just about hanging in there

[LJS]

I actually think you and the english-scotsman viberunner have lost the plot since may 8th. Your final grains of sanity have slipped away.

ljs is just about hanging in there

Sorry to disappoint you russy.

I'm right up there with the selfie handclappers.

I want out of this ghastly union.

Oh look Nigel farage is on question time. What a shock.

Edit: in fact the whole QT panel is an argument to get out of the UK.

Tory , Tory journalist, worse than TorY, guitarist with shit hair & the poshest Labour mp they could find.

I'm a democrat , get me out of here.

Edited May 14, 2015 by LJS

[russycarps]

I think Brian may has been alright actually

Shit hair mind

[LJS]

Why a lurch to the right is not the answer for Labour...

But the idea that New Labour-style politics would have fixed the problem is clearly delusional. Would Blairism have won back voters from the SNP, which had positioned itself to Labour’s left and campaigned against austerity, or the Greens, or the anti-immigration Ukip, many of whose voters are pro-nationalisation and state intervention, and want protection from corporate globalisation? Where exactly is the centre ground between the SNP, Greens, Ukip and middle-income English voters?

Nor is there any evidence, as claimed by Blairites and the media, that Miliband’s pro-cuts and “squeezed middle” Labour party was too leftwing for the public or ignored “aspirational” voters – as if all voters weren’t aspirational. Labour’s plans to tax non-doms and mansions or freeze energy prices were popular, while middle-class voters were wooed with tuition-fee and small-business tax cuts. And the evidence we have so far suggests that, while Labour’s middle-class vote held up or increased last week, the historic loss of 4 million working-class voters under New Labour has continued.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/13/blairites-new-labour-win-back-voters-delusional

[eFestivals]

The SNP clearly stood on an anti-austerity " platform

as well as, at the same time, standing on an austerity-max platform.

Or did you miss that part of the SNP manifesto?

All this talk of " suicide " and your " fucked " etc is odd from folks who oppose the Tories and a 2 party system. We are clearly trying to take a different path up here and have been for a while.

you can oppose the tories with words from your mouth, you can't oppose reality in the same way.

When the SNP are saying their on policies are "suicide", why do YOU think the SNP are wrong?

Wanted to add that some things are worth voting for and the SNP quite clearly have the support of scottish voters. 56 seats is a huge nod towards their stance on austerity, nuclear weapons, immigration etc.

But not any nod to their own manifesto, or reality.

Where's the magic money tree? Cos without it you're committing "suicide".

[eFestivals]

" po-faced concerns have been raised " according to the Guardian.......

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/snp-mps-flout-commons-etiquette-with-first-day-tweets

I see the anti-Westminster SNP MPs have found the subsidied bars.

They've even taken after the Germans, and put towels on the sunloungers, to make sure no one is blocking their path to the bar.

Salmond will be impressed.

[LJS]

I see the anti-Westminster SNP MPs have found the subsidied bars.

They've even taken after the Germans, and put towels on the sunloungers, to make sure no one is blocking their path to the bar.

Salmond will be impressed.

Gotta love them Neil

Chill out & enjoy the fun.

The daily mail doesn't like it. Neil doesn't like it. There's a nice alliance.

[eFestivals]

Appearances had nothing to do with my choice.

Apologies for suggesting that you were a normal person who is driven by their prejudices and who sees only what they want to see.

You are a super-speciual person, unique within the human race, and you often got Labour's policies wrong because you were paying such close attention because you weren't driven by prejudices. That's how super-special you are.

The survival of the species is no more than a bacon sandwich to you?

It's you that was seeing the bacon sandwich, not me.

There's more than oneway to skin a cat, but firstly you need to have the cat to skin it. You voted to let the cat run free.